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boblesko
7/29/2007 9:59am,
Hello everyone this is my first post. I recieved this link from Sid Rubenfeld who wrote a story in TKD Times titled Kukkiwon Certificate Fraud runs Ramped. If you are interested in readfing it just type in the title and it should pop right ip for you. I posting today about a personal issue I went to a WTF school and recieved a first dan but never my certificate from the Kukkiwon which I paid for. I agree that belts do not make the artist but I'm talking about being promised something that was never delivered. has anyone else out there had a problem and if so what did you do to resolve it?
I have checked the Kukkiwon site and my Former instructor never sent the regestation paperwork in.I also filed a complaint through the BBB and nothing happened.

Have a great day.

Bob

Omega Supreme
7/29/2007 10:53am,
Oh yeah, it's one of the reasons I don't want anything to do with TKD.

Art
7/29/2007 11:01am,
I have checked the Kukkiwon site and my Former instructor never sent the regestation paperwork in.I also filed a complaint through the BBB and nothing happened.

Unfortunately this is more common than I originally thought. KKW has given people the ability to check their own status online which is something that is a nice check/balance for those who think they are getting screwed, but it still occurs. This was something that kinda happened to a friend of mine who tested and didn't receive her certificate for over a year and a half. Long story short the "master" wasn't up to date on the current documentation and whe he got there he just waited until he tested the next group of black belts to send the package in and save on the post cost.

Since this is your former instructor are you willing to name names?

boblesko
7/29/2007 11:51am,
Since I am planning on taking him to small clams court I don't know if it would be a good idea to name names. But since this site is a no BS site I will His name is Joe Peterson 4th degree. Its a shame that this sort of thing happens it takes away from the art. When I reported this to the BBB instead for replying in a honorable fashion he brought personal issues into play and did his best to belittle me. I understand that as students there is a respect that is expected from ones teacher but that also should work both ways. I could give you the whole story but it is pretty long. I could also forward the BBB complaint and response if it would be helpful to post it. Its public record anyway.

Art
7/29/2007 1:30pm,
Since I am planning on taking him to small clams court I don't know if it would be a good idea to name names. But since this site is a no BS site I will His name is Joe Peterson 4th degree. Its a shame that this sort of thing happens it takes away from the art. When I reported this to the BBB instead for replying in a honorable fashion he brought personal issues into play and did his best to belittle me. I understand that as students there is a respect that is expected from ones teacher but that also should work both ways. I could give you the whole story but it is pretty long. I could also forward the BBB complaint and response if it would be helpful to post it. Its public record anyway.

Sure why not, link away. If it's public record anyways . . . btw is there a link to the school Mr. Peterson runs? What are the affliations outside of the kukkiwon and do you know who his "master" is?

Wolf
7/29/2007 1:42pm,
I could give you the whole story but it is pretty long. I could also forward the BBB complaint and response if it would be helpful to post it. Its public record anyway.

That's what this section of the site is for. The more details we have, the more use it is for people researching instructors. If you put together a nice report backed up with solid evidence we might even post an article on him on our .COM site which is sort of the brief, consumer reports version of our site.

EternalRage
7/29/2007 1:49pm,
Is he in Franklin, Wisconsin?

http://www.chosunacademy.com/Home.html

It is Fake
7/29/2007 2:15pm,
http://www.sungjado.org/Rubinfeld_article.html

Is this the article?

KenMasters
7/29/2007 4:29pm,
This is something I've never had a problem with. Sabaumnim has my papers but their was no trouble getting them. This may be because pretty much everything in the school comes from Korea.

Omega Supreme
7/29/2007 4:34pm,
Well I'm curious. Where can you check rank certification?

Fantasy Warrior
7/29/2007 4:34pm,
edit: reply to ken....

lucky you. well done. your dojango must be the real Tae Kwon Do :)

ninjafetus
7/29/2007 4:48pm,
Huh, interesting.

http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/index.jsp

Click on the button at the bottom "Check for Poom/Dan"

It's not very searching friendly, though. I had to put my full name, first, middle, last, before mine showed up. Just the last name gave no results, first and last gave no results, and first, middle initial, and last didn't give any results. I actually went to my closet and pulled out my old kukkiwon cert. to see exactly how my name was written before I tried writing out my full middle name. My dan was from 1999, though, so at least the database is not just for new certificates.

Also: When I first read the thread title, I expected the obligatory "why would anyone want to have a fake certification in TKD?" joke before I read what the complaint actually was :)

Omega Supreme
7/29/2007 8:47pm,
Huh, interesting.

http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/index.jsp

Click on the button at the bottom "Check for Poom/Dan"

It's not very searching friendly, though. I had to put my full name, first, middle, last, before mine showed up. Just the last name gave no results, first and last gave no results, and first, middle initial, and last didn't give any results. I actually went to my closet and pulled out my old kukkiwon cert. to see exactly how my name was written before I tried writing out my full middle name. My dan was from 1999, though, so at least the database is not just for new certificates.

Also: When I first read the thread title, I expected the obligatory "why would anyone want to have a fake certification in TKD?" joke before I read what the complaint actually was :)

Wow, I'm actually in there. Too bad I couldn't find another guy I think forged his certifacte.

TKD Black Belt
7/29/2007 11:06pm,
Is it just me or is everyone thinking this is a sign from the sky to quit TKD and take up BJJ?

TKD

PS - I'm papered and pedigreed. Didn't make me feel in more invincible than I did without the cert and probably wouldn't help with the feeling of uselessness that accompanied my first wake up call in a BJJ school.....

Omega Supreme
7/29/2007 11:11pm,
Is it just me or is everyone thinking this is a sign from the sky to quit TKD and take up BJJ?

TKD

PS - I'm papered and pedigreed. Didn't make me feel in more invincible than I did without the cert and probably wouldn't help with the feeling of uselessness that accompanied my first wake up call in a BJJ school.....


.........um.....:evil: :5no:

jnp
7/30/2007 10:38pm,
.........um.....:evil: :5no:
If TKD had said grappling instead of BJJ, would you have agreed with him?