View Full Version : Javelins: Still Applicable to Modern Martial Arts?

7/14/2007 9:48am,
The Finns think so:

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Long jumper Sdiri hit by javelin in Rome
Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:58 PM EDT162

ROME (Reuters) - French long jumper Salim Sdiri was taken to hospital after being hit by a javelin during the Golden League meeting in Rome on Friday.

The incident occurred midway through the evening when Finnish thrower Tero Pitkamaki slipped at the end of his run-up, hurling the javelin out to the left of the landing area and spearing Sdiri in his right side as he crouched in the long jump warm-up section.

A medical crew and ambulance were quickly at the scene, but meeting organizers could not say how serious the injury was.
"He was hit on the right. He is conscious, but we don't yet know how deep it went or how serious the wound is," the medical officer for the Italian Ahletic Federation, Giuseppe Fischetto told Reuters.

"We will only know after we've carried out further tests in hospital."

A shocked-looking Pitkamaki held his head in his hands after the incident but took his next throw in the javelin competition.

Goju - Joe
7/14/2007 10:14am,
Good thing it wasn't the hammer toss.

7/14/2007 10:15am,
I think throwing stuff can help with your punching power. Shot put comes to mind. Yes, I've been reading Pavel Tsatouline books.

7/14/2007 10:18am,
I've got his strength one. It's not too bad, although I've heard he gets into some chi bullshit elsewhere.

7/14/2007 10:37am,
In the 'naked warrior' book on bodyweight stuff for strength he talks about 'muscle irradiation' (which is apparently the way the nervous system makes nearby supporting muscles tense up to support the main muscle under stress), how you can use this to help with difficult bodyweight exercises, and how power lifters use breathing technique to make this work for them by putting more momentary stiffness into their core muscles at the key moment on a big lift.

He supports these claims by quoting soviet-era sports scientists on this topic, in addition to some TMA people who are big into their dynamic tension and yoga-like breathing exercises (he quotes an old Okinawan guy with regard to the Sanchin kata which is a dynamic tension/breathing workout essentially). Ronin is big into this stuff.

Worth a read. Check his sources and try the little experiments he suggests for yourself. I tried some and they worked for me. Obviously, it could all be psychological, but tbh, that's sorta what he says: 'here is a way of tricking muscle group X into working harder'.

If 'chi bullshit' is a shorthand for 'neuromuscular tricks to get an extra x% of power out of some movement', then yeah, that's what he does.

If 'chi bullshit' is a shorthand for obiwan -like mystic energy field pervading your body, then no, he doesn't go there.

7/14/2007 11:40am,
Holy ****. Did you see that guy get hit by the javelin. That is so insane. The look on his face was one of a kind.

7/14/2007 11:58am,
Remember this one? It's been turned into an add in this version, but it still shows the real incident.

edit - I just realized this guys nationality. Geez.

Lu Tze
7/14/2007 11:59am,
Twat didn't even go over to see if the guy was alright.

"I might have just killed someone, but I need to take my next throw man, a piece of shiny metal and a bunch of flowers is at stake here!"

7/14/2007 2:43pm,
When you turn a martial art into a sport long enough, ppl would forget it was as martial art to begin with until this kinda things happen.

7/15/2007 12:58am,
Yeah, kind of like American wrestling. Here's a link describing how wrestling used to look a lot like japanese jujitsu.


Roidie McDouchebag
7/15/2007 5:24am,
Throwing something heavy or pointy will always be applicable to MA, but only if you want to kill or maim them and don't give a **** about the law.

bad credit
7/18/2007 12:50am,
****, I say we fill the backfield with child molesters and give the javelin throwers atatl's.

BTW, how the **** do you pronounce atatl?

7/18/2007 2:32am,
I got to give it to Tero.. It's not very easy to hit a person with a javelin from 80 meters, that takes some serious skill.

BTW. The guy who got hit got out of the Italian hospital the same day with doctors telling he had only minor bruises. A day later he goes in again because he's in pain and they tell him the javelin one of his kidneys and sunk 2-3cm into his liver. Italian doctors FTW!