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kismasher
9/10/2003 10:17am,
i'm gonna relay this story because we get all kinds that come through our dojo door, pay for a month, and then never show up again.

it's a major pain in the ass teaching people how to fall properly, because they don't want to take the time to learn so either myself or someone else has to spend our dojo time, saying crap like

"don't fall flat on your back, be sure and tuck your knee out of the way, curl your toes back so they don't get broken, etc, etc...."


So back to the point of the story, we had two bail bondsmen sign up to take some classes. First off, they came to class in jeans, wtf!?!
Me and another guy were going over some basics and they seemed to be doing okay. They had probably been to about 3 or 4 classes and they started asking for more power on the locks because they didn't feel like they were effective in bringing them down. Now to me, that means, "I'm a badass and that ***** aikido **** won't work on me", so I am more than happy to oblige. Well my Sensei who is always circulating around hears these guys talking and says to them, come here so I can show you something. So, I get another partner and keep working.
We of course are watching the goings-on out of the corner of our eyes to see what Sensei is talking to these guys about. So, they start doing the technique nice and slow with Sensei trying to explain in more detail how to do the technique properly. Next thing I know I hear one of the guys let out a loud yelp and turn just in time to see him go knee first into the mat. So Sensei lets him up and proceeds to plant the next guy, although not quite as severely. Btw, my partner and I were trying very hard not to laugh. Anyways, class finished up,
the bail bondsmen left (one limping) and neither came back.

We asked Sensei about what happened and all he did was roll his eyes and say, "be careful what you ask for", but he said he could tell they were they type that just wanted to learn how to hurt people and he wasn't interested in teaching them anyway.

The Way of a Warrior cannot be encompassed by words or in letters: grasp the essence and move on toward realization!
Morehei Ueshiba

Edited by - kismasher on September 10 2003 14:38:04

Kensai
9/10/2003 10:59am,
I know the feeling.

I was training with this guy and I'm always very worried about appling moves to the level of my Uke. So if I'm with a 3rd Dan then I give it all I've got, but when I'm working with lower grades I dont.

Well, long story short, I was training with this guy a few grades below me. He's probably in his 40's about 15 stone or so and anyway, I was putting on Kote Gaeshi and he wasnt going down. So I was looking around for my Sensei who usually would explain that "nage was respecting your grade and not putting it on 100%". Well anyway, when I caught her eye she could see that he was not going down, not only that but standing back up out of my lock (not a good thing). So all I saw was her do the kote gaeshi lock in the air infront of her one point and a look of "despatch this ass hole" in her eyes. (My Sensei would never use such words ofcourse, especially on the mat, but thats what I thought).

So I did, he fell well, not so much fell but toppled. At which point she nodded and walked off.

Tough love sometimes helps.....

tallpaul50
9/10/2003 11:09am,
I think every sensei/instructor will have similar storys about people with wrong attitudes, and having to deal with them "personally" because they are jerks and not really understanding what si going on in class.

I sort of enjoy working with those sorts because they are fun to play with. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Vegetarian - that's an old Indian word meaning
'lousy hunter.--- Andy Rooney

Balloonknot
9/10/2003 11:13am,
I had a younger fella test me a few months ago (who just had 4 or 5 classes) while we doing drills. He fancied himself a tough street fighter and he sported all the latest tatoos. Anyway, he was the aggressor and I was the defender (but actually I was the aggressor) and I noticed he was getting more and more wild (as well as frustrated). So, to take leave of all pretenses, I asked him to just go at me as hard as he liked. He did, and when he did, he ended up all twisted and knocked off balance. I was holding him up so he wouldn't hit the floor. I'm a nice guy like that, lol. I laughed to myself and thought.... I guess this old timer still has a little sumthin sumthin!!! LOL>

MrMcFu
9/10/2003 11:14am,
I have no problem with N00bs. I was a N00b once. So were you.

I have problems with dickhead N00bs.

Bolverk
9/10/2003 11:28am,
Well said MrMcFu, well said.

Sincerely,

Knowing it is not enough, we must apply.
Willing is not enough, we must do.

The tax laws are written by men with considerable net worth, and with little understanding of what wage-earners must do to make ends meet.

Tong Po
9/10/2003 12:46pm,
I just started grappling and it's not easy because nobody tells you what to do. So... you think you have it hard? How about trying to hang with grapplers that have been doing this for years? You know the feeling of starting out, you're just so good now you forgot it. Take a few years back and then see. Even you were a newb once.

Sorry if I offend but grappling ain't exactly easy.. it's much, MUCH harder to learn than a striking art. Much more technixal and scientific. I'm trying to wrap my head around it. idon't know about you but where I train, they throw your ass in with the sharks every class and you have to roll with blue belts. I'm not having the easiest time of it because I can't even pass anyone's guard yet, and then i have to read about people who hate on new guys.

Well, **** that. I'm a new guy and I'm trying hard.

kismasher
9/10/2003 1:13pm,
Tong Po--yeah, but you're not a disrespecting jack off either are you.

Kensai, kote gaeshi was also the technique that caused the incident in my dojo. I guess it is kind of goofy when you first learn it. I especially hate when people take your wrist out at an angle instead of back toward your shoulder, unless it's a higher rank cause then I usually know that it's breakfall time.

The Way of a Warrior cannot be encompassed by words or in letters: grasp the essence and move on toward realization!
Morehei Ueshiba

MrMcFu
9/10/2003 1:13pm,
Tong Po, it's okay. I still feel like a bitch because everyone else in my BJJ class has had crap loads of wrestling experience. They are all so damn explosive and oftentimes I get 0wned before I know what happened.

JKDChick
9/10/2003 2:31pm,
Striking newbies who go to hard are just irritating. It's the grappling newbies (Oddly, nearly all Middle Eastern young guys -- the new white guys don't give the attitude at all) who try and hurt me because they can't handle the idea of the chick putting a lock on them that piss me off.

We'll be doing a flow drill, going from position to position and they'll be trying to kill me. So now I just let them break and do nothing about it. Until we roll, and then it's no mercy.

"Actually, when practiced properly, such and such art causes oceans to rise and cities to fall and the great Pharoh's army to shudder beneath your might." -- Boyd

Deadpan Scientist
9/10/2003 2:36pm,
Don't give it to them, or else you're not being a good partner.

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Aikiwriter
9/10/2003 2:42pm,
On the other hand, a newbie may be totally justified in asking for more power when he doesn't know what's going on. Aikido can be an art that seems ineffective when just beginning, as can be evidenced by the misconceptions prevalent by many other MAers. If I'm starting an art I don't know much about and the higher-ranked person throwing me doesn't seem to be making me fall, I'd start wondering myself if this was a good art at all.

I can't really say that I approve of intentionally sending anyone away from the dojo limping. No wonder they didn't want to come back to a place where they might get hurt for misunderstanding the nature of practice.

Newbies are dumb. ;) I was a dumb newbie. When a newbie tries to test me by resisting or being an ass I just do the same to him when it's his turn. When he can't do the technique I explain to him what's wrong. Eventually most newbies get the idea and mellow out.

And, of course, some newbies don't come back because aikido is simply not for them.

deus ex machina
9/10/2003 2:47pm,
**** THOSE NOOO))BIES UP!1!!

Fatality Dragon
9/11/2003 10:05am,
Since I am in school that attract a lot of tough bad ass wannabe, I often have to deal with a newbie. I can sit and tell about them all day, but the one that pissed meoff the most was one time when this HUGE guy came in for first time. As we were warm up by practice pushing eachother to side as we rush toward eachother, he get mad at me because he cannot stop me (HE ISN'T SUPPOSE TO STOP ME DURING THAT PART!) so he tried to throw a elbows. That just piss me off but in end I get revenge, we were practicing push eachother against rope then go in for a crazy comb when they bounce off. I always end with round house to thigh every time and by end of class he was limping and of course he never try anything dumb on me after that. Also there was a newbie who think he is a such bad ass that he don'thave to learn tech and when I was try practice with him, he was SO damn lazy that my instructor got mad at me and after that I NEVER practice with him. Other guy just came in few days ago, he was regular guy but few days later he came back having his head shave, few new tattoos, and piecres all over. I was like WTF!? A tough guy wannabe!? He always get frustate and end up try to hurt person during practcie, I can't wait until I spar him full contact, I will beat him throughly so badly that he would wish he was dead! I can't stand anyone who come in and think they have to hurt people or act or look like a bad ass especially when most of pro fighters are just a average looking person who are really nice not someone who act like a bad mofo!

It is a rat eat rat world.

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yanewbs
9/11/2003 10:12am,
Tong Po - I find that most people with no martial arts background (or a wrestling background) pick up the grappling arts much faster than someone who has a stand-up background.

I had a good stand-up base when I started grappling and I was definately a fish out of water - all the training I had had received seemed to actually make the transition to grappling much more difficult at first.

fragbot
9/11/2003 10:56am,
They had probably been to about 3 or 4 classes and they started asking for more power on the locks because they didn't feel like they were effective in bringing them down. Now to me, that means, "I'm a badass and that ***** aikido **** won't work on me", so I am more than happy to oblige.


They say "use more power since this doesn't feel effective." You hear "I'm a badass and that ***** aikido **** won't work on me." Yet, they're the ones with the problem. Remarkable.

Would you prefer they'd taken the trademark "Ki Society dive" for you?



So, they start doing the technique nice and slow with Sensei trying to explain in more detail how to do the technique properly. Next thing I know I hear one of the guys let out a loud yelp and turn just in time to see him go knee first into the mat. So Sensei lets him up and proceeds to plant the next guy, although not quite as severely. Btw, my partner and I were trying very hard not to laugh. Anyways, class finished up, the bail bondsmen left (one limping) and neither came back.


NOTE to self: next time I lock someone and uke drops their knee to the mat, create a thread on bullshido.

As far as them "wanting to learn how to hurt people," they are bailbondsmen for chrissake. They grab people who don't want to be grabbed without the million-officer backup that seems to be the current standard for law enforcement.