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karate26
6/26/2007 7:19pm,
This thread is directed to the OAMA students/instructors in Ottawa and the greater Bullshido community.

From my understanding, OAMA has a good reputation as a Renzo Gracie school and muay thai club. Based on the school's affiliations, I was surprised to see a few items:

1. In the news section (Brazilian jiu-jitsu section), a guest instructor named Kyoshi Allie Alberigo is credited with making "... a big impact on our school." From what I understand, Mr. Albergio runs Ninjitsu McDojos in the US. Why would OAMA want to be associated with Mr. Albergio? http://www.oama.ca/news.php?site=bjj Mr. Cooligan is now working extensively with Hollywood BJJ - is this a sign that Renzo schools are now using ninjer/mcdojo marketing tactics?

2. OAMA's senior instructors seem to do extensive travel - but at what expense to the students? My impression is that the news board is used to generate "hype": when the senior instructors are actually at the club teaching... why is this? I can be appreciate the value of having experienced instructors, but are the students funding all this travel through participation in contests (e.g. the "patched out" Gi contest) ?

Other items:

3. I have heard that students must wear a muay thai "uniform" - an official OAMA t-shirt and shorts to participate. Is this normal in other muay thai gyms?

4. In Mr. Cooligan's interview with "on the mat" http://www.onthemat.com , he states that he does not see value in having his fighters appear on local (Ottawa) MMA cards. This to me sounds like avoiding competition rather than embracing it, but I would be interested to hear what more experienced MMA people have to say.

If OAMA instructors/students are on this site, I would like to hear the rationale for your current marketing decisions and/or participation in the events described above. Do you think that some decisions, while they may generate revenue, might be bad for the overall image of your gym? For BJJ? For MMA in general?

WhiteShark
6/26/2007 7:23pm,
You need to change your comment about this applying to all Renzo Gracie schools pretty quick. There are a lot of Renzo Gracie affiliates that don't have anything to do with OAMA. (like mine)



is this a sign that Renzo schools are now using ninjer/mcdojo marketing tactics?

Fitz
6/26/2007 7:53pm,
I'll contribute what I can to this thread.


1. In the news section (Brazilian jiu-jitsu section), a guest instructor named Kyoshi Allie Alberigo is credited with making "... a big impact on our school." From what I understand, Mr. Albergio runs Ninjitsu McDojos in the US. Why would OAMA want to be associated with Mr. Albergio? http://www.oama.ca/news.php?site=bjj Mr. Cooligan is now working extensively with Hollywood BJJ - is this a sign that Renzo schools are now using ninjer/mcdojo marketing tactics?

Alberigo was associated for a long time with Shoto Tanemura's Genbukan but ceased that association a few years ago due to undisclosed circumstances. He has erroniously continued to claim association with the Genbukan on his "Long Island Ninjutsu" websites however.

For several years Alberigo has produced marketing materials for martial arts school, both in terms of in class practices and bsiness strategies. The majority of this material does fall into the "McDojo" category though it should be said that Alberigo never engaged in watering down the core Genbukan practices among his adult students. He has however conducted questionable classes, such as classes for 3 to 5 year olds.

For information on his Martial Arts School marketing material see

http://www.takingittothenextlevel.com

For information on his current teaching locations see

http://www.lininja.com/

Notice that he still claims to be teaching Genbukan material despite the fact that he is no longer involved with that organization.

It is Fake
6/26/2007 8:11pm,
This thread is directed to the OAMA students/instructors in Ottawa and the greater Bullshido community.

From my understanding, OAMA has a good reputation as a Renzo Gracie school and muay thai club. Based on the school's affiliations, I was surprised to see a few items:

1. In the news section (Brazilian jiu-jitsu section), a guest instructor named Kyoshi Allie Alberigo is credited with making "... a big impact on our school." From what I understand, Mr. Albergio runs Ninjitsu McDojos in the US. Why would OAMA want to be associated with Mr. Albergio? http://www.oama.ca/news.php?site=bjj Mr. Cooligan is now working extensively with Hollywood BJJ - is this a sign that Renzo schools are now using ninjer/mcdojo marketing tactics? Lets analyze the post you are referring to.


Thank you Kyoshi Allie Alberigo for coming to Ottawa this weekend despite your busy schedule, your help is much appreciated. Allie is a good friend of Pat and has helped our school in many ways. He has made a big impact on our school.

So maybe bringing him out turned out to be a great money maker. Maybe they really are good friends and help each other out. Did you ask?

Apparently he does seminars to help businesses make money. Did you call and ask what type of seminar he offered?



2. OAMA's senior instructors seem to do extensive travel - but at what expense to the students? My impression is that the news board is used to generate "hype": when the senior instructors are actually at the club teaching... why is this? I can be appreciate the value of having experienced instructors, but are the students funding all this travel through participation in contests (e.g. the "patched out" Gi contest)Okay are they supposed to be sad? They aren't supposed to hype their fight team? I'm sorry it reads a little over the top but bullshido/Mcdojo? Not IMO.

Again did you call and ask if your participation is required in said raffles and contests?



3. I have heard that students must wear a muay thai "uniform" - an official OAMA t-shirt and shorts to participate. Is this normal in other muay thai gyms?
Does it really matter. Many gyms do things to be unique. Again did you call or ask these questions?


4. In Mr. Cooligan's interview with "on the mat" http://www.onthemat.com , he states that he does not see value in having his fighters appear on local (Ottawa) MMA cards. This to me sounds like avoiding competition rather than embracing it, but I would be interested to hear what more experienced MMA people have to say. He has a fight team enough said.
http://www.onthemat.com/articles/HollywoodBJJ_gets_a_little_Northern_Touch_06_19_20 07.html


Well In my opinion if you want to be the best you have to go and test your self for example in BJJ we have done the last four Pan-Ams in Cali and the last three worlds in Brazil. These are the toughest tournaments in the world for BJJ and if you are serious about making BJJ your life you have to measure yourself against the best to fight in a small tournament with a 100 competitors might be fun and good practice but it fails in comparison to the Pans or Worlds it is like comparing a local MMA show to UFC different league altogether. For my MMA guys we got a great offer to fight in Guam earlier this year it was on the other side of the planet in a tropical paradise all expenses paid and the purse was good as well. Now in terms of Thai boxing my top guys all have fought pro in Thailand and won and one of my guys is still undefeated 4-0 and has a big pro fight in NYC in a month. When you fight pro all expenses should be paid or we don’t do it. Unlike a lot of schools I won’t put guys to fight just to say I have guys fighting the offer needs to be good. And if you want to be the best or call yourself the best you need to get out on the road and fight abroad you can’t stay in your little region or comfort zone you have to go see what is out there it doesn’t matter if you live in LA or Ottawa the world is a big place with a lot of tough fighters




If OAMA instructors/students are on this site, I would like to hear the rationale for your current marketing decisions and/or participation in the events described above. Do you think that some decisions, while they may generate revenue, might be bad for the overall image of your gym? For BJJ? For MMA in general?

So, do you train at a competing gym? Seriously. He hypes his school, he rolls, he has a fight team, they compete, they have 400 students, they have a 6500(?) sqf facility with AC.

What are you calling into question?

The reason I ask is you really misrepresented everything from your links.

It is Fake
6/26/2007 8:22pm,
Oh sorry I forgot a very important link.

http://www.takingittothenextlevel.com/

Hey, Mcdojos know how to make money. As long as the training doesn't suffer whats wrong with a little extra marketing?

Askari
6/26/2007 10:55pm,
Pat was one of the first people to take the trip down and take the old 40 hour introduction that Renzo provided. This was in the mid-90s when no-one was training BJJ. Pat was a Black Belt in Can-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu and parked his ego and went to train. Cant say that for everyone.

Some people dont like the marketing strategies of OAMA, and some people dont like that they dont push everyone to compete. But not everyone is in MA/BJJ to compete. Many just want a good workout- some good skills and the occasional competition.

Clean Mats and AC are paid for by having lots of students.

To the OP: Have you ever trained at OAMA?

nickel
6/27/2007 3:45pm,
I am an Instructor at OAMA and have known Mr. Cooligan for several years. Let me try to clarify things for you a little. And since it is obvious you are nothing more than a hater this will be my only post.

OAMA is affiliated with Renzo Gracie and the main Instructors Pat, Matt where both promoted to there present rank by Renzo himself. If you want to question Renzo’s judgment of BJJ go ahead I believe you would be in the minority to do that.

In terms of Mr Alberigo he taught a children’s seminar and has never once taught adults and or trained with any adults from OAMA. Mr. Alberigo was helping OAMA instructors better understand children and consult on some business matters in relation to that program. Unlike many BJJ, MMA schools we are trying to teach children as well as adults. We do not have many children and this is where we need the work. Mr Alberigo is great with kids and business. This is a completely separate issue from the BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA, as you obviously read our news site a great deal you will already know that the vast majority of news is posted on the BJJ section.

In terms of the news board being used to hype events well guess what it is!!!! Although it is always accurate if it says an Instructor is out of town they are!!! It would be odd to lie about it on the news when the students that read it would know it is not true lol that was a lame one buddy!!!

Yes there is a Muay Thai uniform!! And guess what we have a no Gi one for the BJJ as well. But I can see how uniformity and having people wear uniforms like every other martial art is a horrible thing.

If you read the article Mr Cooligan NEVER states competing in local shows is of no value OAMA has done it in the past and I know for a fact they will do it again in the future.

To sum it all up I can say this. OAMA teaches high quality Renzo Gracie BJJ, they have some of the best seminars in the country and have the most active competition team in the province they have competed in four major tournaments this year winning over 50 medals at every experience up to purple belt. As as well as beginner through advanvced. Already in 2007 and one Gold at the pan-ams!!! Since you read our news I assume you know this. As of late 2006 we have the most active Muay Thai fight team in Ottawa!! Fighting at least once a month both pro and amateur. Our Muay Thai is taught by two active fighters that teach full time. At this time we do not fight a lot of MMA but we have several guys training that will debut in the next year.

I hope this clears up some stuff but I doubt it as you obviously are a hater. In terms of a bad name for BJJ MMA we reach over 400 students with quality martial arts instruction. So it sounds to me like we are helping BJJ Muay Thai and MMA more than most schools.

Reasons why people like you hate OAMA

We are a big successful school
We have great seminars that are for our students only
We go to the tournaments we want to go to

We make money and everyone seems to hate that??? Not sure why any other business in the world makes money and that is cool a Martial Arts school makes money and they are a fraud. This is also one of the reasons all the instructors are full time and do not have to work outside the school. They only have to train and teach would you be happier if they had to work full time and then teach like most hard working martial artists would they then be better at martial arts and teaching because they work all day??? I think not… But for you and a lot of people this is one more reason to hate us I suppose??

Since Renzo is the overall role model to all the staff at OAMA and he has 800 students in NYC and makes the corresponding money and has a full time team if instructors he must be a fraud as well right?? If so OAMA is following in his footsteps… lol

Bottom line everyone in Ottawa knows we are a top notch school we have several schools that compete with us in grappling and MMA and Thai, But I am sure even though they might not like aspects of our business I am sure they would say we have a good school… To question our school and someone like Renzo will not gather you a lot of support. But feel free to keep reading our news and speculating about our school… When you teach quality and care about the students a thousand of these internet threads mean nothing as you will see by the continued growth of our organization:happy7:

UVray
6/27/2007 9:51pm,
well, Nickel pretty much said what I was going to and probably a lot politer but I'll keep my responses short

1. Why would OAMA want to be associated with Mr. Albergio? Plain and simple, he has tons of experiencing running a school. He wasn't brought up to teach adults ninjitsu but provided a lot of help on how to achieve our goals and have strong business continuity A.K.A staying in business so us students have a school to go to. There's no smoke and mirrors with what he conveyed, mostly how to help students achieve their own personal goals and stick with club in a win-win situation.

2. OAMA's senior instructors seem to do extensive travel - but at what expense to the students? The expense placed on us is that we have senior instructors who come back with more experience and skills to pass on to us. The HORRORS!!!!!111 I personally would love to tell my wife and child that I'm going to be a full-time BJJ player and travel the globe, but it's much easier for the guys to bring back the skills to me. And if you are trying to imply that they are not actually on these trips, you may want to visit the gallery on the site and you can see some of the pics of their travels. As far as the funding, the contests are voluntary and the money goes to the competition team to cover only some of travel. As far as the "patched-out gi", he won a trip to NY to train at Renzo's free of charge. God damn OAMA is ruthless!!!

3. I have heard that students must wear a muay thai "uniform" - an official OAMA t-shirt and shorts to participate. Is this normal in other muay thai gyms? You know, I have no idea if other gyms run this way. However, I personally think it conveys the team atmosphere that we have at OAMA. It's the same for our No-Gi class and every BJJ Gi must have a Renzo patch. Don't like it? You don't have to train here. Pretty simple.

4. In Mr. Cooligan's interview with "on the mat" he states that he does not see value in having his fighters appear on local (Ottawa) MMA cards. Wow, you really twisted that up didn't you? Here is what is actually in the interview: "And if you want to be the best or call yourself the best you need to get out on the road and fight abroad you can’t stay in your little region or comfort zone you have to go see what is out there it doesn’t matter if you live in LA or Ottawa the world is a big place with a lot of tough fighters"
That really sounds like ducking competition now doesn't it? He also explained in that very paragraph that you don't have to take every fight offered, it has to be worthwhile. I don't see how that is construed as unreasonable management.

SO in closing, congrats on your troll thread, it got people to bite and explain something that you aren't even going to accept. But as Pat has done in the past, he just ignores the internet BS and focuses on making OAMA the best club in the country. Sorry that rubs you the wrong way.

Raymond Rice (part-time instructor when the guys are fighting and competing world-wide)

"Organized like a team, Fighting like a Family"

Fitz
6/29/2007 3:24pm,
1. Why would OAMA want to be associated with Mr. Albergio? Plain and simple, he has tons of experiencing running a school. He wasn't brought up to teach adults ninjitsu but provided a lot of help on how to achieve our goals and have strong business continuity A.K.A staying in business so us students have a school to go to. There's no smoke and mirrors with what he conveyed, mostly how to help students achieve their own personal goals and stick with club in a win-win situation.

UVray,

Out of curiousity, did Mr. Albergio claim at any time while at OAMA that he was representative of or affiliated with the Genbukan?

nickel
6/29/2007 4:57pm,
Fitz

Allie said he unfortunataly has left his japanese teacher and he is now doing his own thing we really know nothing about what he teaches so we do not even know what that means. hope that helps

karate26
7/10/2007 8:16pm,
An interesting reply...I'll post a response, as I think a few things are transparent:


I am an Instructor at OAMA and have known Mr. Cooligan for several years. Let me try to clarify things for you a little. And since it is obvious you are nothing more than a hater this will be my only post.]

You call me "hater"...why is that? Because I question the way you do business? Because I ask you to explain your methods, considering your status as a Renzo club in Ottawa's already mcdojo infested scene? Give me a break.


OAMA is affiliated with Renzo Gracie and the main Instructors Pat, Matt where both promoted to there present rank by Renzo himself. If you want to question Renzo’s judgment of BJJ go ahead I believe you would be in the minority to do that.]

Lets be clear: I am not questioing Renzo's judgement - I am questioning your judgement.


In terms of Mr Alberigo he taught a children’s seminar and has never once taught adults and or trained with any adults from OAMA. Mr. Alberigo was helping OAMA instructors better understand children and consult on some business matters in relation to that program. Unlike many BJJ, MMA schools we are trying to teach children as well as adults. We do not have many children and this is where we need the work. Mr Alberigo is great with kids and business. This is a completely separate issue from the BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA, as you obviously read our news site a great deal you will already know that the vast majority of news is posted on the BJJ section.]

I'm glad to hear your adult students are not being taught ninjitsu, but am sorry to hear your kids program presently needs this type of help. You should be looking at "play as the way" methods...not watering down your material with ninjitsu. If you want to attract kids, follow the Douvris mcdojo model: water down the material, pass out belts like swimming badges.

You admit you are taking bussiness lessons and practices from a person who does not care about teaching quality martial arts programs for kids. Does a class full of kids paying through the nose while learning a watered down program equate to a sucessful program to you? In your association with the ninjas, this seems to be case. As a Renzo club, please prove me wrong.


In terms of the news board being used to hype events well guess what it is!!!! Although it is always accurate if it says an Instructor is out of town they are!!! It would be odd to lie about it on the news when the students that read it would know it is not true lol that was a lame one buddy!!!]

You misunderstand my point: my question relates to the quality of instruction if the top people in the club are not there teach. I appreciate the value of learning from experts world-wide, but this must be hard on the students. It is great your guys go out and fight, but it seems they spend a large amount of time away from the club.


Yes there is a Muay Thai uniform!! And guess what we have a no Gi one for the BJJ as well. But I can see how uniformity and having people wear uniforms like every other martial art is a horrible thing.]

Why is it bad to have an MT uniform? The question, is why would you need one? It looks like an easy way to overcharge students... I have never heard of this practice in any other MT gym.


If you read the article Mr Cooligan NEVER states competing in local shows is of no value OAMA has done it in the past and I know for a fact they will do it again in the future.
o sum it all up I can say this. OAMA teaches high quality Renzo Gracie BJJ, they have some of the best seminars in the country and have the most active competition team in the province they have competed in four major tournaments this year winning over 50 medals at every experience up to purple belt. As as well as beginner through advanvced. Already in 2007 and one Gold at the pan-ams!!! Since you read our news I assume you know this. As of late 2006 we have the most active Muay Thai fight team in Ottawa!! Fighting at least once a month both pro and amateur. Our Muay Thai is taught by two active fighters that teach full time. At this time we do not fight a lot of MMA but we have several guys training that will debut in the next year.]

No argument here - this is all good.



I hope this clears up some stuff but I doubt it as you obviously are a hater. In terms of a bad name for BJJ MMA we reach over 400 students with quality martial arts instruction. So it sounds to me like we are helping BJJ Muay Thai and MMA more than most schools. ]

I should have been more clear: as a Renzo Gracie club with 400+ students, I find it odd you have an almost non-existent presence on the Ontario MMA scene. Your fighters seem to have the skills, but yet they go worldwide before conquering their own backyard (so to speak). I am saying, this is not going unnoticed...whether or not you care to acknowledge this.

In terms of pure grappling/BJJ, why would you not compete in Montreal or Toronto?



Reasons why people like you hate OAMA

We are a big successful school
We have great seminars that are for our students only
We go to the tournaments we want to go to]

Yes, you are a large club
You have your own policies for seminars: an odd choice, poor for the MA community, but it is your choice.
Yes, you attend lots of tournaments... just none that will build your reputation in MMA. Eastern Ontario is waiting to see the Renzo club


We make money and everyone seems to hate that??? Not sure why any other business in the world makes money and that is cool a Martial Arts school makes money and they are a fraud. This is also one of the reasons all the instructors are full time and do not have to work outside the school. They only have to train and teach would you be happier if they had to work full time and then teach like most hard working martial artists would they then be better at martial arts and teaching because they work all day??? I think not… But for you and a lot of people this is one more reason to hate us I suppose?? ]

No not a reason to hate you. It is a heads up to potential students that they will likely be overcharged, one way or another.

I posted in the fist place because as a Renzo BJJ club, I think you have a responsibility in protecting one of the only belt systems in the world which is still respected. Understand that as a large club with a Renzo label, you are under the mircoscope. If you choose to bring in Ninjas, you should expect to be brought to task. I personaly don't like your business practices, but no, I don't hate you


Since Renzo is the overall role model to all the staff at OAMA and he has 800 students in NYC and makes the corresponding money and has a full time team if instructors he must be a fraud as well right?? If so OAMA is following in his footsteps… lol ]

No, I am not claiming fraud ("Bullshido"). I find it disappointing that you are using "McDojo" tactics. Renzo built his club based on the Gracie name and his own ability. As far as I know, Renzo never needed to bring in the Ninjas.


Bottom line everyone in Ottawa knows we are a top notch school we have several schools that compete with us in grappling and MMA and Thai, But I am sure even though they might not like aspects of our business I am sure they would say we have a good school… To question our school and someone like Renzo will not gather you a lot of support. But feel free to keep reading our news and speculating about our school… When you teach quality and care about the students a thousand of these internet threads mean nothing as you will see by the continued growth of our organization:happy7:

Once again, I am not questioning Renzo...only the way you do business. The whole point is that as a Renzo BJJ club, I find some of your marekting bizzare and that self-interest is effecting the reputation of your club.

Askari
7/10/2007 9:34pm,
Hey it cant be that bad. A quick google search found at least a couple of guys from OAMA have fought in MMA:

Mark Holst: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=14862

Nick Castiglia: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=14860

They fought in one of the Apex tournaments in Gatineau. If I found these two that easily, there must be more right? Can someone from OAMA fill us in here?

Tango M.F.
7/10/2007 9:58pm,
3. I have heard that students must wear a muay thai "uniform" - an official OAMA t-shirt and shorts to participate. Is this normal in other muay thai gyms?

Yes...

n00b
7/10/2007 10:10pm,
Hey it cant be that bad. A quick google search found at least a couple of guys from OAMA have fought in MMA:

Mark Holst: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=14862

Nick Castiglia: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=14860

They fought in one of the Apex tournaments in Gatineau. If I found these two that easily, there must be more right? Can someone from OAMA fill us in here?

I was at both shows, they represented quite well, I thought(admittedly, I'm no expert). I train at Ronin, but I have friends at OAMA who love it and who do compete. I don't even know why they SHOULD 'have' to rep MMA though, as long as they rep their BJJ and their MT, as that's what I see on the main page.

nickel
7/10/2007 10:40pm,
Since you took so long to reply to this thread I have no doubt that you are trying to keep it near the top of the forum in hopes of bringing bad publicity to our school. The reason why I called you a hater is that you have admitted to living in Ottawa, you have nothing but negative things to say about our school based on your opinion not facts and as you will see no one else is really supporting your opinion. You never asked about our status as a Renzo club, as you knew all along that we are a legit Renzo affiliate school. I believe that you try to make your opinions seem like facts to confuse anyone who reads this forum. It is you who is being transparent not I.


In your last post you said you did not think we where bullshido, but you thought we used Mcdojo tactics for business correct?? But you did say you questioned our Judgment I guess you mean from a business point of view correct?? Could you clarify to me how having one school is a Mcdojo? I would assume that you would have to have to have a chain or a franchise to be called Mcdojo, or am I wrong??

In terms of our children’s program I doubt you know anything about Mr. Aberigo beyond what you have read on his site, am I wrong?? So have you met the man or been to his schools, or are you basing your opinion on internet banter, if so that is ok I will concede the point anyways. What you do not know is Mr Aberigo has had no impact beyond a one day seminar with our kids we made it clear in the last post. He was helping with the business of the kids program only or was the transparent part?? OAMA has three staff members with backgrounds in Child and youth work and a certified elementary school teacher on staff. This is more than most schools can say, but there expertise is kids not business. Just so we are clear we brought the ninja Mr. Aberigo not “Ninjas” as you say unless he had invisible friends with him lol.

In terms of our staff traveling a lot, thank you for your concern, but I can assure you are students are well looked after. Some schools may have only one or two instructors teaching which might make it hard on the students for the instructors to travel. We have numerous well trained BJJ and MT instructors and several who are cross trained. At no time are all of are instructors away competing or training. The students are the first priority when making the decision in letting a staff member travel. If it would leave the school short, then guess what happens, the staff do not get to travel. So we make sure that the students are not impacted in a negative way by staff traveling. If anything, our students can only benefit from or staff traveling. They bring so much knowledge back to the school from training abroad, knowledge that would only be obtained by travel. Many of the students have been inspired to travel with their instructors to compete in some of the world’s best competitions against some of the world’s best competition. Many students who would not normally travel and compete thank us for the opportunity. It is also thanks to Mr. Cooligan wanting his staff to travel that one of his Jiu Jitsu instructors is one of the most decorated competitors in Canada. This has only improved the level of Jiu Jitsu taught to the students, not taken away from them, all because of travel. Once again thank you very much for your concern about the impact that the amount of travel my staff does on my students. I will pass on your concern to them.


As far as Muay Thai uniforms going you obviously show very little experience in Muay Thai gyms throughout North America someone as adept at the internet as you could find many schools with some kind of requirements as far as shorts and t-shirts go. If you think that having a Muay Thai uniform is wrong then I guess you will also have to condemn every traditional martial arts school that requires theirs students to all wear the same uniform (GI) and even sometimes the same patches. To think you would actually want people at your school to feel like part of the team. This also stops people from wearing inappropriate clothing (ie, too tight, old, foul language or images) that make other students feel uncomfortable.

You want to know why we are not competing on the Ontario MMA scene. The most important reason for us not competing in the Ontario MMA scene is because MMA is currently illegal in Ontario in Ontario, or maybe you did not know that. We have fought in two MMA shows. One in Gatineau, Quebec, which is only separated from our city or Ottawa, Ontario by a bridge (you can not get any closer). The other card was abroad. Are you chastising us for only fighting two shows or because we chose to fight for great money abroad one of those two times??

As far as the competing in BJJ tournaments, we fight in some of the biggest and toughest in the world how can you possibly comment on that. We do not have to justify why we pick the tournaments we do. We are doing tougher tournaments than any other school out there. Can you please tell me if you think I am wrong? Name any other school in Ontario that fights in as numerous highly ranked BJJ tournaments as we do?? Guess what, you can’t therefore whatever you say is a negated by our record in competition. Some people have even suggested we do not want to lose to local schools. Last year we fought guys from Niagara BJJ Joslins, Toronto BJJ, Gamma in Montreal, Mark Bocek’s school, guess what, we won some and we lost some… I tell you what we will continue to do, we will continue to do the tournaments we want and everyone can go on complaining because that is what will happen regardless. In terms of building our MMA reputation we are not trying to do that, MMA is not our only focus.

As far as the seminars go when we have a guest and we fill our school to capacity with our own students and turn our own students away why would we let other students from other schools attend please explain how this is odd?? Our students always come first should it not be this way?? It should also be noted that the seminars we do put on are really for the students. They are not required or mandatory in any way.


In terms of being brought to task for the ninja not “ninjas” thanks, you are doing a stellar job but you do not really have the facts do you?? In terms of the belt system since all promotions go through Renzo or one of his black belts I will assume you are ok with that as you said in your last post.

The most laughable part of your last post is you claiming we might over charge!! You should acquaint yourself with all the facts. You could take our tuition and uniform cost of ours and compare it to any other quality schools in Ottawa, there are only a few. Look at their membership dues, the amount of classes they offer then compare our facility and the number of classes we offer and due the math and tell me we are overcharging!! Per class we are SIGNIFICANLTY cheaper than all the other schools!!!


You say you only disagree with our business practices and that is fine, I understand that. However to go on the web and try to harm a schools reputation when you publicly admit that they are legit in martial arts, but you simply do not like there business strategies “Mcdojo” as you put it is wrong. It is obvious that you have a problem that runs much deeper than jealously and you are little else than a hater…

Take care!

Askari
7/11/2007 5:03pm,
Name any other school in Ontario that fights in as many high level BJJ tournaments as we do?? Hi Nickel,

I was with you for most of your entire post except this point.

You and I both can name a dozen schools in Ontario that send people to the Mundials, as well as recent NAGA winners, a few Ontario clubs have even been repped at ADCC. Even in Ottawa, OAMA isn't in the lead for the most people competing at a world level.

You dont have to slag the rest to make yourself look good, the guys are competing and doing well, dont take the hater so seriously that you attack others inadvertently.