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Botulism
6/13/2007 1:54am,
(newbie preamble)
I am a newbie (although I've lurked a bit) and this is my first post. Be gentle, yes?

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Started going regularly (ie. 3 to 4 times a week) to a boxing gym about a month ago. In adequate and by no means spectacular physical condition. I realize there aren't a whole lot of boxers in this forum, even if it is Strikeistan, but perhaps the question is relevant in general.

A few days ago I discovered that I cannot raise my right hand behind my back. Even placing the back of my right hand against my lower back causes pain, and trying to raise it any further makes my shoulder/upper arm feel like it's on fire. This is only an issue with my right arm; my left is fine. The fact that i'm a southpaw might have something to do with it.

So I waited for the pain to subside, like all the other miscellaneous little aches that one gets after an intense session at the gym, but it never did and it's starting to annoy me. Brought it up to my coach, and he said that it might have something to do with the way I punch? Apparently I am not supposed to rely as much on my right shoulder to throw a jab as I currently am. He did try to demonstrate, but I really couldn't understand what he was saying/doing with my arm at all.

If someone could explain to me what's going on here, I'd be very grateful. Also, I'd like to know if I'm developing bad habits when punching that might come back and bite me in the butt some day. I do try to do everything with correct form (stance correct, back straight, no excessive arching/hunching, etc), but perhaps I'm doing something wrong. Thoughts?

BSDaemon
6/13/2007 2:08am,
Stop. Do not go to your coach, do not go to an internet forum. Go to a doctor.

ysc87
6/13/2007 2:11am,
i box southpaw as well, and yes, you're not supposed to reply too much on your shoulder... since you're not in the 'best physical shape' as noted, it's probably your overworked shoulder/trap. keep it warm and massage it with a little bengay/icyhot when not doing anything, and have a icepack handy for after workouts.... if it's been going on for a while.... DOCTOR.

i had a first few months when i decided to teach myself the 'lead right straight' and i threw a couple hundred in one sitting. i couldn't use my arm for a few days.


questions to you, though: 1) are you throwing your jabs like fucked up backhands 2) leave your right by your waist 3) combi of two?

Steve
6/13/2007 2:23am,
Focus on stretching before you do anything further.

Try asking about your problem here (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23).

Warasak
6/13/2007 8:41am,
I would say lots of stretching and go see a doctor

PsychoMongoose
6/13/2007 9:51am,
I've had exactly the same sensation in the past. According to my physio it was an inflammed tendon in my bicep (the pain manifested itself in my shoulder).

It didn't go away by itself, but a couple of sessions with the physio/sports massage therapist sorted it out.

Go see a health professional!

Scrapper
6/13/2007 9:53am,
Go see a doctor, and I'm betting you have a torn muscle in the rotator cuff or tendonitis.

Either way, you are off that arm for 6 weeks or more.

Sorry.

ex_jungyae
6/13/2007 11:19am,
Pretty much what everyone else said ^^ -- also, if you are diabetic then this could be what is commonly called "frozen shoulder" and you will need to see your doctor about physical therapy or in extreme circumstances their are operations for it. For diabetics this can be the start of a 3 year cycle :(

Botulism
6/13/2007 12:38pm,
Everyone, thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my question. I've scheduled an appointment with a physio, but I'm going to have to wait till next Monday because her schedule is packed :x I'm going to pray very very hard that it's an inflamed tendon/overworked muscle and not a torn muscle/tendonitis/diabetic frozen shoulder (not a diabetic, but my father has mild type 2 that could be hereditary).

ysc87:
1) I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying, but I try to extend my right fist straight out (ie. not in an arc), so I don't think my jab is a fucked up backhand.

2) Nope.

In the meantime I'll try the stretching thing and it looks like i'll have to skip this week's sessions :sad10:

Thanks again!

Teh El Macho
6/13/2007 12:44pm,
Focus on stretching before you do anything further.

Try asking about your problem here (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23).



Go see a doctor, and I'm betting you have a torn muscle in the rotator cuff or tendonitis.

Either way, you are off that arm for 6 weeks or more.

Sorry.

What they (and everybody else) said. Go see a doc, or at the very least, a massage therapist. It can be so many things, your front deltoids, your external rotators, your shoulder blade, the bicipital groove. It can me muscles, it can be tendons, it can be a pinched nerve.

By the sound of it, either you injured your supraspinatus and/or the internal rotators and/or the external ones.

So you can't put the back of your hand on your lower back. That sounds your internal rotators are fucked. More questions.

Can you pass your right arm behind your neck and touch your left shoulder blade?

Can you pass your right arm in front of you (your hand going to the left) and reach with your hand around your left shoulder?

For now, take a break, really. Just take a break. Go see a doc, but in the meantime, apply heat on your shoulders for 20 minutes. Then wait one hour and apply ice for 10 to 15 minutes. That will help a little.

But you will need to see a doctor, or at the very least a sport massage therapist.

Botulism
6/13/2007 1:14pm,
Wow that's pretty detailed.

>>Can you pass your right arm behind your neck and touch your left shoulder blade?
>>Can you pass your right arm in front of you (your hand going to the left) and reach with your hand around your left shoulder?

Yes to both questions, and I am pretty convinced at this point that I should take a break. Thanks for your help.

Teh El Macho
6/13/2007 3:33pm,
If you can do those tests, but you cannot put the back of the hand on your lower back without feeling pain, then yeah, your internal rotators are likely fucked up... err, injured.

Good luck dude.

Zyph
6/13/2007 8:03pm,
Had a fellow paramedic had the same problem. There is one other option and that is a bone spur. Chances are it is a RTC pull or tear. Some time and it will heal. Th physical therapist will aid with some things you can not do at home, things like whirlpool treatments, and streatches that are hard to do alone. Worst case scenire (sp? sorr rushed fo time) is surger. my co worker at first was diaged with RTC tear, but whent hey went in with the scope they found a spur on the ball of the joine, which I know it sounds odd, but was much better. Teh cuff tear could take some time. I do advise not stopping completely as it will tighten up, but first see a dr and see what he/she says. Take care.
later,
Zyph

S'Lou
6/14/2007 12:35am,
If you need painkillers to get through the everyday, until you GO SEE THE DOCTOR, go for one of the anti-inflamatories (think ibuprofen), as opposed to a plain analgesic (asprin). That way, you've at least helped keep swelling down and kept inflammation of the area to a minimum.

Botulism
6/15/2007 1:36pm,
Update:

I saw a physiotherapist this morning, and it turns out that lots of you are correct - my problem is a "fatigued" infraspinatus muscle (which is part of the rotator cuff). Apparently years of questionable posture and slouching around have screwed up my upper back (weak rhomboids and stuff), which can eventually lead to shoulder issues like this. She used this tingly ultrasound thing on the muscle, and then some electrodes that made me twitch, and now it feels much better.

Also she did say that I could continue going to the boxing gym, just as long as I don't punch too hard with my right or try to lift weights above my shoulder for a while. I'm going to take things a little easier, stretch a lot, and work on my upper back muscles.

So thanks again everyone for telling me to see a professional and for being helpful in general; I do appreciate it :icon_mrgr

S'Lou
6/16/2007 5:40pm,
Glad that things are not serious. Go easy on the punching and work up to it!