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OZZ
3/05/2007 10:41pm,
By now we all have either heard first hand or heard about Rogan sounding off during the Couture - Sylvia match regarding the standup rule during MMA bouts.
So, how does this sit with the people here? Are most people in agreement with Rogan's assertion that there should be no standups called and that the fight should remain on the ground for as long as neccessary? Or is it better to stand the fighters up after a couple of minutes of relative inactivity to get things moving again and appease the crowd?
Personally, I like the standups ..but I can see Rogan's point.
Just curious what people think.

yodaman
3/05/2007 11:02pm,
A fight with no standups can quickly and easily degenerate into a snorefest. See = Ken vs. Royce II.

As long as someone's working, the fight shouldn't be stood up.

alex
3/05/2007 11:32pm,
yeah while somethings happening the fight should stay going. if nothing is happening it should be stood up. like it or not MMA is a spectator sport, people dont want to see tito lying on someone for hours on end doing sweet **** all.

i think they should have stood it back up in the first round when it became obvious couture wasnt gonna get that choke. talk about a fucking boring round (except the first 5 seconds)

Naszir
3/05/2007 11:43pm,
If anyone saw the Elite Extreme show on Showtime, their warning then 15 seconds to standup rule is actually a pretty cool way to deal with this. If you have a guy laying and praying instead of keeping busy, then the ref says "hey get active or I'll give you the warning", still no activity, "you've got 15 seconds, do it now or stand up". I think it gives a fighter a definite time frame as well as not punishing an active player.

HANKtheTANK
3/05/2007 11:53pm,
yeah, i usually trust big John does a good job in determining when 2 guys are not working, and when they are...and thought randy got more than enough time to attempt to finish.....but i guess big john being knowledgeable on the ground, probably saw coutures position alone being too advantageous for him to justify standing them back up?

Red Elvis
3/06/2007 12:00am,
No problem when used fairly. The standups on the Elite Extreme show were a bit excessive for me though. Renzo was working on gaining a better position from his takedowns to side control to... when he was stood back up several times. It's not always something you can just achieve quickly. I think the UFC does a decent job of it though.

Cassius
3/06/2007 12:29am,
In general, I've been fairly happy with the standups I've seen in MMA. There clearly should be some kind of punishment for stalling or inactivity on the ground. The UFC was getting a little quick to stand up there for awhile, but they've backed off as of late. Pride, in the past, has been quicker to stand fighters up than the UFC. Again, no major complaints. Of course, as a BJJ guy, I am perfectly fine with the concept of letting one of my brethren have the whole 5 minutes to choke the life from his opponent. I found Joe Rogan's comments to be hilarious, and I love it when he says things that annoy Dana White. But I can understand why the UFC does it.

That said, EliteXC's stand ups were atrocious.

phuquedup
3/06/2007 1:02am,
That said, EliteXC's stand ups were atrocious.

Couldn't agree more.
Renzo side control -> brief pause ->*bam* standup.
That **** turned me off EliteXC bigtime.

Rogan's also speaking from a BJJ perspective, and in purist theory I agree. However, like Alex and Nuck said this is a spectator sport and consideration has to be paid to the people who fund the whole shabang. Its no big loss as long as its done correctlyl, which is one thing I can't knock the UFC for.

Namrepus221
3/06/2007 1:06am,
Hell yes he is. If it wasn't crystal clear before it sure as **** is now. I mean come on look who we are talking about here!!!!

Oh.... wait.....I thought this was talking about how Joe Rogan was a homo.

IzzyDaHedgehog
3/06/2007 2:04am,
After (finally) seeing this today, one of the many things that I liked about it was Rogan's sudden rant about people getting stood up. I know it makes the fight more "boring" to watch, but part of me really wants the UFC to say, "**** the WWE and NASCAR crowd, we're letting the groundfighting happen."

GIJoe6186
3/06/2007 2:55am,
I agree with Rogan, standups just ruin the fights for me. If a guy can just hold you on the ground then so be it, maybe you should learn to wrestle a bit more then. I couldnt stand Tim just waiting to get stood back up like that, like his defense was waiting to get stood up.

It is a spectator sport though so you know the deal.

I would just like to see standups from neutral positions though, if you have mount or take the back, I dont think there should be a standup.

metarat
3/06/2007 3:06am,
There's a fine line between letting the ground game happen and entertainment; but there will always be compromises made for entertainment.

Consider that big MMA bouts happen like boxing, in casinos, with a live audience that is paying hundreds of dollars for a good (ringside) seat. No way do they want to watch the fighters on a monitor, which is what happens when the fight stays on the ground. They want standup and hitting.

You'd have to have a whole new style of auditorium, with all elevated seating, if you wanted to cut commercial pressure to stand fighters up.

Rogan was being entertaining, but he has to know which side his bread is buttered on.

El-Wood
3/06/2007 3:08am,
*shurg* it's a sport after all - if you're against standing up then lets just have them bite, eye gouge, groin shots, pull hair, fish hook, elbow to the back of the head, etc...

bob
3/06/2007 4:43am,
I have to say one of the best fights I've ever seen remains the Royce vs. Dan Severn when he was completely dominated on the ground for 15 minutes straight and then pulled a triangle.

Would I want to see every fight like that? Absolutely not.

Obviously it's a spectator sport and you gotta pay the bills but the other point is that MMA touts itself as th3 4w3some when it comes to realistic fighting. It's kind of hard to sell that theory to the average Joe Blogs when he sees guys lying around on each other for half an hour.

Das Moose
3/06/2007 5:10am,
Consider that big MMA bouts happen like boxing, in casinos, with a live audience that is paying hundreds of dollars for a good (ringside) seat. No way do they want to watch the fighters on a monitor, which is what happens when the fight stays on the ground. They want standup and hitting.

Then they should go to a kickboxing or boxing match. It annoys me no end when people go to or watch an MMA event and then complain when the fight goes to the ground, like they expect to get 3 or 5 rounds of kickboxing.

ssgsega
3/06/2007 5:20am,
Then they should go to a kickboxing or boxing match. It annoys me no end when people go to or watch an MMA event and then complain when the fight goes to the ground, like they expect to get 3 or 5 rounds of kickboxing.

You're right! You know in the UFC that the fights could go to the ground. Go watch the Power Puff Girls or something, instead of whining. The UFC is pretty good at standing the guys up when they aren't moving. Is Rogan right? Hell yeah.