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gregaquaman
2/24/2010 11:49am,
from my youth doing ninjitsu (yeah I know)

that twirling a wepon around increases your skill with it.

that you could punch a guy and he would die in a week.

that making hand signs while meditating makes you fight better

that sparing blindfolded is anything other than an exersise in getting beat up

MMAMickey
2/24/2010 1:53pm,
I don't wanna bring this thread way off topic for real long but... The guy has a flawless record. I've seen the Shogun fight, I admit he should have lost that one, but that's one fight in his entire career. Boring =/= ineffective. The guy is an example of someone using a style that everyone thought would be useless to become a champion because he was able to train well, and incorporate just the right amount of other elements into his game. It's an example of the fighter making the difference.

you have a good point. but according to sherdog he has 2KOs and 1TKO by striking out of 16 wins (out of the other 2 one was listed as exhaustion and one as a cut). for a heavy guy who specialises in striking that is not impressive. The man has trouble finishing fights, essentially he is pointfighting

excludedmiddle
2/24/2010 2:01pm,
from my youth doing ninjitsu (yeah I know)

that twirling a wepon around increases your skill with it.

that you could punch a guy and he would die in a week.

that making hand signs while meditating makes you fight better

that sparing blindfolded is anything other than an exersise in getting beat up

And now you're doing Capoeira, where people think throwing kicks while standing on their head is effective.

Sri Hanuman
2/24/2010 2:09pm,
And now you're doing Capoeira, where people think throwing kicks while standing on their head is effective.

Dude, those make gullible girls and soccer moms love you more.

pokeroo
2/24/2010 3:09pm,
you have a good point. but according to sherdog he has 2KOs and 1TKO by striking out of 16 wins (out of the other 2 one was listed as exhaustion and one as a cut). for a heavy guy who specialises in striking that is not impressive. The man has trouble finishing fights, essentially he is pointfighting

Actually 3 KOs, 2 TKOs, and 2 submissions unless wikipedia is inconsistent with sherdog:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida#Mixed_martial_arts_record

Anyway, I'd like to point out that he responded to criticism that his fights are too technical and boring by weight training to add knock out power which brought a KO against Rashad Evans and Thiago Silva in his last 3 fights. This I recall seeing on a special on Machida before the shogun fight. I'll admit the Shogun fight did showcase some of the flaws that still exist in Machida's game.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Lyoto-Machida-and-the-Revenge-of-Karate-17521

I like this article because I think it illustrates my point about how mma has brought so much cross training that its no longer about is wrestling better than kickboxing because that its now about the individual athlete. I think earlier karate was written off as being too rigid and mechanical to work in MMA (and the degree of truth to that is IMO one thing Machida still needs to work on).

MMAMickey
2/24/2010 5:25pm,
I don't have a problem with karate I just don't like machida's style, not all karate guys fight that way.. anyways we can quit the thread derail now.. not that anybody cares lol

Edit: just to clarify sherdog said 2KO, 3TKO (but one was from a cut and other from exhaustion which may not have been clear from what I wrote, I didnt count subs cos BJJ isnt unique to him)

tao.jonez
2/25/2010 4:41pm,
I used to believe that if you could do one single punch or kick really well you could win any fight. Any fight would consist of you waiting do unleash your deadly technique - at the right moment your eyebrows would pop up, pupils dilate, and HIYAAAAA! you kill your opponent.

Also, it took 2:45min for him to die. And he would tell you some huge secret on his death bed.

Larus marinus
2/25/2010 4:50pm,
I used to believe that if you could do one single punch or kick really well you could win any fight. Any fight would consist of you waiting do unleash your deadly technique - at the right moment your eyebrows would pop up, pupils dilate, and HIYAAAAA! you kill your opponent.

Also, it took 2:45min for him to die. And he would tell you some huge secret on his death bed.

I used to believe that it was easy to unleash deadly unblockable combos of the sort you see in compliant TMA drills and beat-em-up games. If you could stop your opponent's strike and land your first punch in response, then he would just stand there in shock, unable to move until you finished your flurry of strikes. Made sense to me at the time because people were teaching kids that stuff - so therefore it must work...

Sri Hanuman
2/25/2010 4:56pm,
I used to believe that away+forward+punch = spear throw, until Sub Zero proved me wrong.

Larus marinus
2/25/2010 5:14pm,
I used to believe that away+forward+punch = spear throw, until Sub Zero proved me wrong.

Should've done away, away, punch. Then he'd have been sorry.

Sri Hanuman
2/25/2010 7:01pm,
Should've done away, away, punch. Then he'd have been sorry.

I think that would have been away+away+ high punch.
Fucking SubZero...

tao.jonez
2/26/2010 11:15am,
You guys are obviously posting in the wrong thread - these sub-zero moves are all in the "funny hat lulzy larp" thread.

Matt Tower
3/06/2010 7:52am,
A Katana could be used untrained

All Ninjutsu Black Belts were skilled fighters

Judo had striking

You could disarm a properly trained swordsman when unarmed

Kung fu was only good for movies

MMAMickey
3/06/2010 11:09am,
A Katana could be used untrained
This is true, I mean if you have one and the other guy doesn't it won't take much skill to use it


Judo had striking
technically it does if you go to a place that trains kata


Kung fu was only good for movies
This is not completely true (ie. Omega), but generally pretty close to the mark

aznraven
3/07/2010 6:33am,
This is not completely true (ie. Omega), but generally pretty close to the mark

You can't have it both ways...

MMAMickey
3/07/2010 10:04am,
You can't have it both ways...

LOL fair enough.

[insert age old argument here]