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my3rdeye828
1/06/2007 9:00am,
what's the most practical art to learn for self defense?

Scrapper
1/06/2007 9:17am,
No one style gets it right.

You would need:

Solid ground skills (BJJ, WRESTLING, JUDO, SAMBO)

Solid striking skills (BOXING, MUAY THAI, SAN SHOU)

Solid Clinch skills (MUAY THAI, JUDO, WRESTLING)

Solid takedown skills (JUDO, WRESTLING, SAMBO, SHUAI CHAIO)

Weapons competence (FMA's, FIREARMS COURSES)

Mix and match for best results.

Shinshoryu
1/06/2007 9:17am,
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pauli
1/06/2007 10:13am,
what's the most practical art to learn for self defense?track and field, crosstrained with rhetoric, etiquette, and chick-chick-boom.

oh, and welcome to bullshido.

Bladesinger
1/06/2007 10:23am,
what's the most practical art to learn for self defense?

That would be learning how to properly carry and use a firearm. Like what Scrapper mentions.

Beyond that, do the rest of what Scrapper says. I mean it. Go. Now. Do it.

grendel
1/06/2007 10:58am,
Bladesinger is right.... In millenia of civilization, Man has invented simple and effective ways for the noble art of defense. I am talking about the infamous .45-jutsu. Never underestimate the power of Two In The Chest, One In The Head Kata.

FUNKtastic
1/06/2007 11:00am,
also depends how old you are, if you aren't in any rush commit yourself to one (striking or grappling) stay with it until your comfortable and then start cross training the other. If you're older or you have more days in the week to attend take both. preferably find a mma school like ronin athletics (straightblast gym international) that can offer you a variety of styles under one roof.

Slipster
1/06/2007 12:54pm,
No one style gets it right.

You would need:

Solid ground skills (BJJ, WRESTLING, JUDO, SAMBO)

Solid striking skills (BOXING, MUAY THAI, SAN SHOU)

Solid Clinch skills (MUAY THAI, JUDO, WRESTLING)

Solid takedown skills (JUDO, WRESTLING, SAMBO, SHUAI CHAIO)

Weapons competence (FMA's, FIREARMS COURSES)

Mix and match for best results.
Scrapper's right, no one style gets it right. If it did, we would all be studying it! Cross-train is the way to go. Be well-rounded.

Welcome to bullshido.

Matt Bernius
1/06/2007 1:31pm,
What do you mean by self defense. And what's your time frame?

Scrapper's post is dead on. However in the short term, there are (counter to some folks opinions) some solid RBSD programs out there that can get you the basics quickly. In particular Tony Blauer's programs are really solid (http://www.tonyblauer.com). They develop basic striking and grappling skills, and spend a lot of time addressing awareness and confrontation management skills. And you spend a lot of time getting hit.

The thing about self defense to understand, is that at it's core it's pretty basic (though it does need to be practiced). It also can be a bit of a dead end. They're all good skills to learn, but from experience, it's a little unfulfilled as a long time pursuit (unless your specifically in the protection business).

And quite frankly, the old you get (in general) the less likely you are to be in a self defense confrontation. In fact, I think it's better to think of things in terms of "self protection." From that perspective, getting in shape is as (if not more) important than understanding how to get through a mugging.

Oh, and don't get a gun unless you're going to commit to learning how to really use it.

- Matt

POHARDNUTS
1/07/2007 11:47pm,
You have to learn striking and your footwork and balance have to be good your ground skills can be ok (learn how not to go down) you dont have to be a GRACIE, but after you have that solid base the best teacher will be actually fighting for real!!

Until you have been put in a VIOLENT SITUATION you'll never know how you would react to a real self-defense situation.

Nobody can teach you how to react to that kind of situation, they can only give you a foundation which you can build upon

hoodedmonk
1/08/2007 1:54am,
You have to learn striking and your footwork and balance have to be good your ground skills can be ok (learn how not to go down) you dont have to be a GRACIE, but after you have that solid base the best teacher will be actually fighting for real!!

Until you have been put in a VIOLENT SITUATION you'll never know how you would react to a real self-defense situation.

Nobody can teach you how to react to that kind of situation, they can only give you a foundation which you can build uponyou have to learn ground fighting! your base must be good. Your striking can be ok! learn to shoot! you dont have to be cro-cop, but you better know how to punch! No training can substitute actual fighting! Until your heart and training have been tested in a violent situation you will never know how you would react to a real self defense situation.PS. listen to what scrapper said.

POHARDNUTS
1/08/2007 2:48am,
you have to learn ground fighting! your base must be good. Your striking can be ok! learn to shoot! you dont have to be cro-cop, but you better know how to punch! No training can substitute actual fighting! Until your heart and training have been tested in a violent situation you will never know how you would react to a real self defense situation.PS. listen to what scrapper said.


He said self-defense not UFC, speaking of UFC all the grapplers are getting beat down


- CHUCK whooped ortiz
- ST. PIERRE whooped hughes
- SILVA whooped franklin (both of them were strikers, all the grapplers got whooped in that weight class)

- and we all know CRO-COP kicks the **** out of everyone

learn how not to go down and if you go down learn how to get back up!! :5slick:

Tonuzaba
1/08/2007 3:04am,
what's the most practical art to learn for self defense?
Welcome to Bullshido, long-named aikidoka!

The most practical answer to your question is:
read around here a lot.

Then do some pressure testing of your current martial arts experiences - with somebody outside your dojo who has fighting/MA experience.
Then check out some of the schools you found interesting from what other (especially senior) Bullshido members wrote here about.
Then proceed with hard training and constant pressure testing.
Then you should be on your way to get a picture of realistic self defense.

What are your MA experiences up to date? Do you spar? How, how often and with whom? Did you ever get into a street fight? How did you do?

Tonuzaba

Scrapper
1/08/2007 8:40am,
He said self-defense not UFC, speaking of UFC all the grapplers are getting beat down


- CHUCK whooped ortiz
- ST. PIERRE whooped hughes
- SILVA whooped franklin (both of them were strikers, all the grapplers got whooped in that weight class)

- and we all know CRO-COP kicks the **** out of everyone

learn how not to go down and if you go down learn how to get back up!! :5slick:



Chuck Liddell is a BJJ Brown belt and was captain of his Division 1 wrestling team. His strikes work because he knows how to not get taken down and to stand up when he does.

St Pierre studied BJJ and wrestling after his kyokshin instructor died.

Anderson Silva is a BJJ brown belt.

They ALL can grapple at a very high level. Nobody is successful in MMA who can't strike and grapple.

samuraihavok
1/08/2007 9:30am,
the fact of it is you need to train for a fight in order to be ready for a street fight. yes you do need to leran ground stuff cuase chances are it will go to the ground. how ever you need to be ready to throw some punches. an yres chuck liddel does take jujitsu and did wrestle but there has not been any or many times in my recolection that he ever submitited anyone. he just practices kickboxing and how to not get taken down. chuck is a bad sob i belive he will retier witrh the belt.

hoodedmonk
1/08/2007 12:51pm,
He said self-defense not UFC, speaking of UFC all the grapplers are getting beat down


- CHUCK whooped ortiz
- ST. PIERRE whooped hughes
- SILVA whooped franklin (both of them were strikers, all the grapplers got whooped in that weight class)

- and we all know CRO-COP kicks the **** out of everyone

learn how not to go down and if you go down learn how to get back up!! :5slick:fedor and nogeria disagree! :owneddancIf cro cop can be takin down what makes you think you cant? and why would you not want to train in both stand up and grappling to prepare yourself for both situations?