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meng_mao
12/20/2006 2:59am,
http://www.mainememory.net/media/images/625/75/14883.JPG
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First off, what an amazingly detailed (and I presume accurate) depiction of early pankration MMA. To have this kind of skill and knowledge of anatomy in the 1st century BC -- wow.

Couple of things I presume to be nice subtleties of this position:
1) Attacker has a cross-grip on defenders right arm, and is holding his wrist so that the elbow is more twisted and locking out the arm.
2) Defender is trying to unvine his left leg to escape the attacker's hook on that side.

My question -- where does the attacker intend to hit? The back of the neck?
When I first saw this sculpture, I wondered why the attacker had a cross-grip and thus consigned himself to a less open shot at the head. I was thinking completely in terms of MMA rules. It seems that with his legs the way they are, the attacker has much better leverage for a punch from this side -- he can pull himself in with his hook, and can twist his body open more.

But -- would the other side work? Gripping defender's right arm with his right arm, and punching the head from what seems like a better angle?

I wish someone could finish a fight this way. That would make an incredible picture, and add credibility to the sport in an interesting way.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
12/20/2006 3:02am,
i don't come to bullshido to see matbattle porn

meng_mao
12/20/2006 3:03am,
i don't come to bullshido to see matbattle porn
In this case, fighting with balls out is way more manly than usual. And freaking scary.

King Sleepless
12/20/2006 3:05am,
[insert gay grappling joke here]lol!111[/gay grappling joke]

meng_mao
12/20/2006 3:08am,
* does proceed motion with hands *
Okay seriously though, can I get some serious / semiserious / attempts at serious answers here?

alex
12/20/2006 3:09am,
looks to me like homeboy is about to get donkey punched

Torakaka
12/20/2006 3:09am,
Yes :)

meng_mao
12/20/2006 3:19am,
Yes :)
Et tu, Brute?

You can't do a donkey punch without penetration, which you can see hasn't happened by pic 1 (jeez can I make this anymore gay?).

alex
12/20/2006 3:34am,
thats why i said about to

meng_mao
12/20/2006 3:36am,
thats why i said about to
Oh I thought you meant the punch landing. Hmm. If you time it simultaneously...

Blue Negation
12/20/2006 4:52am,
Looks to me like he's going to do a diving right shoulderroll while tucking the arm in around his waist with that cross grip. It's what I'd do anyway

meng_mao
12/20/2006 3:40pm,
Looks to me like he's going to do a diving right shoulderroll while tucking the arm in around his waist with that cross grip. It's what I'd do anyway
Would'nt that compromise his position advantage? Or does the roll give him a sub?

jdscrappy
12/20/2006 4:22pm,
I wrestled a number of years ago in high school, and this looks like the start of what we called the guillotine.
- the arm that's underhooked (cross grabbed) is placed around the top guy's neck; a good way to accomplish this, besides the way he's doing it, is to let your head hang over like "bait"; when your opponent (guy on bottom) goes for the headlock, you let him have it.
- keeping the single leg vine in, you have two options: if you're like the guy in the sculpture and can get the arm around your neck, you keep pulling back until he's on his back and you're next to him on your left side; if you "baited" your head and he went for it, let him pull you down into what he thinks is a sweet headlock. Continue the roll and he will end up on his back, with you on your left side.
- Remember to keep the vine in!
- lock your hands together, (you have your left arm around his neck) and arch your back into him. This creates an incredible amount of pressure on his lower back, and he will tap.

If done right, is no defense grasshopper!

meng_mao
12/20/2006 8:16pm,
- the arm that's underhooked (cross grabbed) is placed around the top guy's neck; a good way to accomplish this, besides the way he's doing it, is to let your head hang over like "bait"; when your opponent (guy on bottom) goes for the headlock, you let him have it.
This doesn't seem to make sense for the position given. The bottom guy can go for a headlock? Is this done by trying to throw his arm a little further back and clotheslining the top guy's neck to his level? At which point the top guy simply resists and further bars the arm?

jdscrappy
12/20/2006 9:26pm,
I gave 2 different ways to end up with the bottom guy on his back; for the bottom guy to go for the "headlock", the top guy has to "give" it to him, then continue with the momentum. What is illustrated in the sculpture is the bottom guy resisting; in that case the top guy is attempting to muscle the arm back over his (the top guy's) head.

I hope I haven't further confused this; the best way to verify the effectiveness is to try it with a partner, then drill it. Trust me, this bad boy works.

Boyd
12/20/2006 11:48pm,
Meng, he's describing what we traditionally call the Twister. I know because the other day I tried a sloppy Twister on a wrestler, and he laughed and said "You call that a guillotine!?"