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kallbritain
10/22/2006 10:44am,
Unfortunately, another (martial artist?) is in the process of discracing his art, our arts
and himself.

The head of the American Chen Association, Yan-Gao-Fei has been busted for running a
kiddy porn website in China. You can read the details here:
http://chessman71.wordpress.com/2006/08/23/american-chen-stylist-and-child-porn/


I heard about this from some highly reputable sources and then did some research
to see if the net had caught up with the facts. It has.

This guy is a waste to begin with and now he has moved down the list.
What more is there to say.

http://chessman71.wordpress.com/files/2006/08/yan-gao-fei.jpg

except YEEECH !

bodhistate
10/22/2006 1:00pm,
That he ran a kiddie porn site nonwithsranding, what does this have to do with his ability to teach tai chi?

When we inevitably hear about an MMA guy beating and raping someone, does this mean all MMA guys are bullies and rapists?

He's a disgrace to himself, not the MA community or tai chi.

Phrost
10/22/2006 1:02pm,
Gives an entirely new meaning to the word "Sticky Hands".

And with that, I'm moving this to YMAS.

kallbritain
10/22/2006 1:56pm,
<<"That he ran a kiddie porn site nonwithsranding, what does this have to do with his ability to teach tai chi?>>


People sometimes underestimate the value of Character.
Why would someone who demonstrates so vividly, his own lack of integrity,
treat his students any better?
How could he put forth the energy and clarity required to develop someone into a
martial artist? Trust is an important component of learning.
I would not trust him.


<<When we inevitably hear about an MMA guy beating and raping someone, does this mean all MMA guys are bullies and rapists?>>


Only if you subscribe to the type of infantile logic used so frequently these days elsewhere,
that there is no middle ground, no gray area, only absolutes.
One is not the cause of the other. Stating an extreme or outrageous case as proof against
a statement goes nowhere.

I never said all TaiChi people were bad, I said this one was.


<<He's a disgrace to himself, not the MA community or tai chi.">>

No. he discraces us all.
In a way not dissimiliar to the whole purpose of this web site.
We are martial artists. We take these teachings seriously.

If a plumber gets busted for child molestation, I don't tend to
associate that with all plumbers. His jop is to fix pipes.

When a man teaches the martial arts, he is doing more than fixing
pipes.

Through discipline comes strength. Showing such a lack of both, this gentleman
defames many of the core principals our arts are based on.

What can he teach us, how to fix pipes?

MaverickZ
10/22/2006 2:16pm,
tai chi lol

Jorec
10/22/2006 5:26pm,
I don't think his Tai Chi is gonna protect him in prison either.

bodhistate
10/22/2006 7:28pm,
People sometimes underestimate the value of Character.
Why would someone who demonstrates so vividly, his own lack of integrity,
treat his students any better?
How could he put forth the energy and clarity required to develop someone into a
martial artist? Trust is an important component of learning.
I would not trust him.

I agree with you whole-heartedly, but I need to play devil's advocate for a moment:


No. he discraces us all.
In a way not dissimiliar to the whole purpose of this web site.
We are martial artists. We take these teachings seriously.

When a man teaches the martial arts, he is doing more than fixing
pipes.

Through discipline comes strength. Showing such a lack of both, this gentleman
defames many of the core principals our arts are based on.

On many occasions on this very site, people have derided the aspect of martial arts to instill ethics, morality, decency, etc. Martial arts=fighting, nothing more, and anything else done in a martial arts school is hocus-pocus hippy bullshit. You don't study martial arts to be a better person, you don't send your kids to a school to learn discpline (because parents are solely capable and responsible for all things their children do), and good behavior is not required to teach someone how to fight.

By this logic, doesn't it mean that in private (or on the Internet), a person can behave however they want, do whatever they want, as vile as it might be to other people? I don't know anything about this guy beyond these accusations. Did he hold himself up as a moral and ethical example explicitly? Did he encourage and involve children in his school to give them guidance? As for that, is there any indication he did anything more than take and post pictures? Did he steal money for his students to pay for the site, use his position of authority to get his students to present their children to him, did he employ people in the name of his organization to promote and spread his site?

Good ole Foley had sex chats with underage boys while heading a department whose stated purpose was to protect children from abuse by adults. This is an act of betrayal. Unless there is evidence that he used his martial arts skills (both mental and physical) to commit his crimes, it is difficult to see him as a disgrace, technically.

That said, I do believe in a large purpose than fighting for martial arts. He fails in some of the fundamentals I believe in, such as protecting the most vulnerable members of society, and leading a private life that demonstrate the focus, discpline, and self-control that many martial arts aim to develop.

Doctor X
10/22/2006 11:37pm,
tai chi lol

Damn! Beat me too it!!

--J.D.

DerAuslander
10/23/2006 12:41am,
People sometimes underestimate the value of Character.

People who are non-martial artists have character as well. This has nothing to do with being a martial artist, but rather being a human being who has the temerity to act in an ethical and moral manner.


How could he put forth the energy and clarity required to develop someone into a martial artist?

As someone who was sexually abused as a child, I loathe pedophiles in a way that many of you are incapable of understanding.

That said, what does pictures of naked children have to do with his ability to teach people how to fight?


I never said all TaiChi people were bad, I said this one was.

Is child pornography against the central tenets of Taiji? I don't remember that lesson.


No. he discraces us all.

He's not a disgrace to the martial arts communitee.

He's a disgrace to the human community.


We are martial artists. We take these teachings seriously.

What teachings?

Push hands?

Fajing?


When a man teaches the martial arts, he is doing more than fixing
pipes.

Dumbest thing I've read today.


Through discipline comes strength. Showing such a lack of both, this gentleman
defames many of the core principals our arts are based on.

First off, you called him a gentleman.

A child pornographer is not a gentleman.

Secondly, again...this man did something that transcends any sort of moral idea of being a martial artist.

He fails as a human being.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking martial artists are somehow better than normal people.

You only end up placing false limitations on yourself.

If he is evil, he is evil as a man.

Not as something more.

Condemn him for what he is and what he has done, not for what your preconceived notions of honor and discipline and other martial bullshit may have to do.

This man is a pedophile. The fact that he is a martial artist has nothing to do with that.

Doctor X
10/23/2006 2:00am,
You are just mad TKD did not teach you how to fix pipes!!

Uechi-Ryu w1ns again!!!11!!

--J.D.

jkdbuck76
10/23/2006 11:10am,
Dumbest thing I've read today.



First off, you called him a gentleman.

A child pornographer is not a gentleman.

Secondly, again...this man did something that transcends any sort of moral idea of being a martial artist.

He fails as a human being.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking martial artists are somehow better than normal people.

You only end up placing false limitations on yourself.

If he is evil, he is evil as a man.

Not as something more.

Condemn him for what he is and what he has done, not for what your preconceived notions of honor and discipline and other martial bullshit may have to do.

This man is a pedophile. The fact that he is a martial artist has nothing to do with that.

Agreed. If he is guilty, then he should get a bullet to the head. Auslander, it grieves my heart to hear that you suffered that as a child.

King Sleepless
10/23/2006 11:35am,
Pffft. I don't know of any older asian guys who DON'T have a kiddie porn website.

TM
10/23/2006 12:16pm,
Hopefully there will be justice in the end.

DerAuslander
10/23/2006 12:17pm,
You are just mad TKD did not teach you how to fix pipes!!

Fix them?

TKD taught me how to lay them!

DerAuslander
10/23/2006 12:19pm,
Auslander, it grieves my heart to hear that you suffered that as a child.

It is what it is. I've had my closure.

DerAuslander
10/23/2006 12:21pm,
Pffft. I don't know of any older asian guys who DON'T have a kiddie porn website.

Like your Dad?