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KFighter
10/07/2006 12:09pm,
We've seen alot of crappiness from JJJ. Their training methods, techniques, and bs. But does all of JJJ suck? MMA fighters Carlos Newton and Michael Bisping both started of with JJJ and used it well. So what is the final thought on JJJ?

Blue Negation
10/07/2006 12:16pm,
"Does JJJ suck?"

The definite answer is "not necessarily". It's a blanket term. Does karate suck? Some styles don't. Most do. Let it go.

Phrost
10/07/2006 2:25pm,
Anything not trained in an alive manner sucks. Individual > Training Method > Style.

Gumby
10/07/2006 6:57pm,
Technically everything thats in Judo or BJJ is also in JJJ. As phrost said its more about how live you train as opposed to what you train.

I would like to point out that most of the JJJ techniques I've seen were devised with the mindset that you're most likely wearing large armor, which explains the unusual stances and hitting in unusual places (that were most likely chinks in the armor).

plasma
10/07/2006 7:02pm,
We've seen alot of crappiness from JJJ. Their training methods, techniques, and bs. But does all of JJJ suck? MMA fighters Carlos Newton and Michael Bisping both started of with JJJ and used it well. So what is the final thought on JJJ?
It all sucks, good job on that expose. Try Wing Chun next.

Virus
10/07/2006 11:40pm,
Most of the JJJ I've seen looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QAW8umfOt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ0eIQfYV_A

While there is good stuff in most JJJ styles, there's also a lot of low-percentage material. I think Kano and the Kodokan renderd this stuff obsolete.

When you say these MMA fighters used JJJ what do you mean by that? What JJJ techniques did they use?

Mr. Jones
10/08/2006 12:12am,
Umm Virus this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8530050435368865797

Spezza
10/08/2006 12:54am,
I got a black belt in an off-shoot of Danzan Ryu (a "Hawaiian- American- Japanese" style). We grappled 2-3x in 5 years. When I went to national conventions or seminars, I learned that most all of the other schools were the same, even school from other styles of jujitsu.

People often say "Not all JJJ" is bad. I say :"OK, but where are they...? Name the specific schools, because I never say ANY that developed students with functional skills"

As a black belt I started BJJ and was about as good as someone with a few months of BJJ at best.

Mr. Jones
10/08/2006 1:04am,
I think a better comparison would be between your school and Judo.

Virus
10/08/2006 5:04am,
Umm Virus this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8530050435368865797

Umm Mr Jones this.

"Some of the participants are from well-known BJJ clubs in Poland..."

The blurb for the video.

GIJoe6186
10/08/2006 5:11am,
Yes, I was just looking at that vid, its full contact jujitsu as in Brazilian JJ.

So how does Carlos Newton claim JJJ? What school and is it realy JJJ, not a guy who had a BB in JJJ but also in BJJ or Judo?

Cassius
10/08/2006 5:40am,
Yes. It all does.

Virus
10/08/2006 5:49am,
Yes. It all does.

I understand the answer, but what's the question?

Virus
10/08/2006 6:00am,
http://www.japanesejujitsu.com/floorstrangle2web.jpg

Cassius
10/08/2006 6:02am,
I understand the answer, but what's the question?
The question in the title.

Cassius
10/08/2006 6:02am,
TMA: If you absolutely can't find anything else to train in.