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steve_990
10/04/2006 1:51pm,
A little over a year ago I won a free month of training at work for a school in Chilliwack, BC (Canada) called Life Tae Kwon Do.

It's run but a guy called Sam Soo Han, who claims to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD who trained with General Choi - one of the founders of TKD.

My girlfriend joined with me and I stuck it out for a bit as it was good exercise for her. I was already into Jiu-Jitsu, and had little interest outside of doing something with my gf.

So after the free month we have to do the standard crap of registration fees, buying gis, and choosing how we are going to pay.

We choose the multiple pay in advance with cheques for a year, but stop coming after 5 months or so. The guy cashed every cheque even though we told him that her schooling and my work were interfering with class time.

I was also annoyed that it seemed that people were going for belt tests WAAAAAY too soon, especially around Xmas time which makes me really pissed.

My question to all of you is - have you ever heard of this guy? Are his crudentials right?

Unfortunately he has no website - or I would link to it. I only found one mention of him through google for a TKD school elsewhere that had him teach there when their instructor retired back when he was supposedly 4th dan.

datdamnmachine
10/04/2006 2:18pm,
A little over a year ago I won a free month of training at work for a school in Chilliwack, BC (Canada) called Life Tae Kwon Do.

It's run but a guy called Sam Soo Han, who claims to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD who trained with General Choi - one of the founders of TKD.

My girlfriend joined with me and I stuck it out for a bit as it was good exercise for her. I was already into Jiu-Jitsu, and had little interest outside of doing something with my gf.

So after the free month we have to do the standard crap of registration fees, buying gis, and choosing how we are going to pay.

We choose the multiple pay in advance with cheques for a year, but stop coming after 5 months or so. The guy cashed every cheque even though we told him that her schooling and my work were interfering with class time.

I was also annoyed that it seemed that people were going for belt tests WAAAAAY too soon, especially around Xmas time which makes me really pissed.

My question to all of you is - have you ever heard of this guy? Are his crudentials right?

Unfortunately he has no website - or I would link to it. I only found one mention of him through google for a TKD school elsewhere that had him teach there when their instructor retired back when he was supposedly 4th dan.


Well if you read some of the other posts you will know that that's usually how they get you. Some free classes to get you hooked then all the crap you have to purchase just to attend class. Also if you signed up for a year, doesn't matter if you attend class or not, they are going to charge you and cash your checks. It's like leasing a car, doesn't matter if you drive it or not, you still have to pay. Contracts suck. Testing for belts way too early, that's another sign as well. Me personally, this looks like BS. I don't know about the instructor himself or care to. The fact is, the signs point to bad things and if I were you I would make sure they don't do an auto renew with your account and leave the place.

Kintama
10/04/2006 2:24pm,
ooooh...did you get him to show you a 'Sine Wave' ?

Gen Choi's sine wave:
http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChonjiSineWave.wmv

http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChoiSineWave.WMV

whacks-on whacks-off

steve_990
10/04/2006 2:40pm,
ooooh...did you get him to show you a 'Sine Wave' ?

Gen Choi's sine wave:
http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChonjiSineWave.wmv

http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChoiSineWave.WMV

whacks-on whacks-off

LMAO!!!! Yeah that was like the 2nd or 3rd pattern he taught...

as for DatDamnMachine : I already think he's BS... even if he's legit, I don't like the way he ran his business so I'm never going back. Don't think he can auto charge either - we paid with post dated cheques...

bhamtsd
10/04/2006 2:41pm,
ooooh...did you get him to show you a 'Sine Wave' ?

Gen Choi's sine wave:
http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChonjiSineWave.wmv


My monitor must be borked - the belt on that person looks black but can't be.

Kintanon
10/04/2006 2:53pm,
LMAO!!!! Yeah that was like the 2nd or 3rd pattern he taught...

as for DatDamnMachine : I already think he's BS... even if he's legit, I don't like the way he ran his business so I'm never going back. Don't think he can auto charge either - we paid with post dated cheques...

Unfortunately he is as "legit" as most other TKD schools you'll find outside of Korea. What you are describing is pretty much the cookie cutter mold for all other TKD schools. They almost all operate on the "Free month" or "Free two weeks" promotion. But guess what? If you put your name and info in that little box you "win". They call EVERYONE who puts their info in the box. The only way to get anything useful out of that school is if you work your ASS off in spite of the mediocre instruction and the sickeningly low expectations. The techniques may be valid, and you CAN pick up good flexibility and good foot work, but most of the time you are going to be better off with a MT or MMA gym if you want any kind of real training.
If you plan on looking for a TKD school in the future don't sign any contracts, don't pay more than 3 months in advance, and get as many classes out of your introductory period as possible so you can evaluate the instructor. Also, request to watch some of the higher ranking students spar so you can see what kind of sparring they engage in. If it's high speed tag with little or no contact don't bother going back. If it's nonstop with moderate to heavy contact you can look into it further.

Kintanon

datdamnmachine
10/04/2006 2:57pm,
LMAO!!!! Yeah that was like the 2nd or 3rd pattern he taught...

as for DatDamnMachine : I already think he's BS... even if he's legit, I don't like the way he ran his business so I'm never going back. Don't think he can auto charge either - we paid with post dated cheques...

I was thinking like autorenew like what cable companies do after a trial period of service if you don't specifically cancel in writing the service they will auto bill you and if you pay by check, they will simply delequient(spelling?) your account and you may be responsible for the fees. Most people don't find that out until they are being contacted by a collection agency. You may want to talk to Bullshido's resident lawyer, Samuel Browning.

As for not going back, you already seem to be headed in the right direction.

johnny3443
10/04/2006 3:18pm,
Do you know if they are part of any org like ATA (American TKD association) or WTF (world TKD federation)? I hear these two encourage their schools to grab as much money as possible without any regard for the students. -john

HonkyTonkMan
10/04/2006 3:41pm,
Do you know if they are part of any org like ATA (American TKD association) or WTF (world TKD federation)? I hear these two encourage their schools to grab as much money as possible without any regard for the students. -john

Where did you hear that?

HonkyTonkMan
10/04/2006 3:45pm,
ooooh...did you get him to show you a 'Sine Wave' ?

Gen Choi's sine wave:
http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChonjiSineWave.wmv

http://tkdtutor.com/06Concepts/Power/PowerImages/ChoiSineWave.WMV

whacks-on whacks-off


I think he is saying NOT to do the sine wave.....In other words, DONT bob your head up and down. Thats what I was taught, not too.

He was pretty hard to understand

TKD Black Belt
10/04/2006 3:47pm,
LOL, I love how people come on here looking for advice when their initial post usually has enough info in it for them.

"who claims to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD"

- well if you feel that he isn't actually a true 9th then you should leave.

"and had little interest outside of doing something with my gf"

- That and they took the 'tantric' pattern out of circulation

"when he was supposedly 4th dan."

- again, if you doubt his rank already what more information do you want?

Listen, collectively you'd be hard pressed to find a group more rabid about finding MA BS artists but we will not go after someone unjustified. If you have a legitimate concern with this guy start with the BBB locally and go from there.

As for teaching from the standard book, well I'd be willing to be most 1st graders are taught similar info, doesn't minimize the school system does it?

I think some more information might be warranted.

TKD

steve_990
10/04/2006 3:50pm,
Do you know if they are part of any org like ATA (American TKD association) or WTF (world TKD federation)? I hear these two encourage their schools to grab as much money as possible without any regard for the students. -john

Nope - from my understanding he left the TKD organizations and was running solo.

steve_990
10/04/2006 4:03pm,
LOL, I love how people come on here looking for advice when their initial post usually has enough info in it for them.

"who claims to be a 9th degree black belt in TKD"

- well if you feel that he isn't actually a true 9th then you should leave.

.....

"when he was supposedly 4th dan."

- again, if you doubt his rank already what more information do you want?

Listen, collectively you'd be hard pressed to find a group more rabid about finding MA BS artists but we will not go after someone unjustified. If you have a legitimate concern with this guy start with the BBB locally and go from there.



Well first of all the guy was like 65 or something so I wasn't gonna ask him to show me how good he was on the mat, besides, that's a little disrespectful (I respected the guy when I started). The only reasons I put in the 'supposedly' and 'apparently' words is because of the lack of trust I had in him based upon the charging and belt testing. I have no proof otherwise appart from just distrusting the guy in general.

That's actually why I posted - seeing if anyone else knows about him, cause I can't find anything to prove OR disprove.




"and had little interest outside of doing something with my gf"

- That and they took the 'tantric' pattern out of circulation


LOL - sorry that might have been my bad grammer there..... *I* had little interest in TKD outside of training with my g/f



As for teaching from the standard book, well I'd be willing to be most 1st graders are taught similar info, doesn't minimize the school system does it?

I think some more information might be warranted.

TKD


I just found it amusing that we were shown a pattern that someone posted here in jest (at least how I took it). I understand that most schools for a specific art will have standardized training - that just makes sense.

johnny3443
10/04/2006 4:18pm,
Where did you hear that?
Omega posted in “Why your MA sucks”:

Taekwondo: You're represented by the biggest morons out there WTF and ATA. These organizations are out for your money, boosting their prestige, and brain washing you into believing that there is a purpose to what they are doing. All the while, WTF specifically, handing you this crock of **** on how long taekwondo has been in existence. Because of their prejudice outlook toward the karate/Japanese culture in which it originated from they've developed a sport based on a game played over 1000 years ago and make people think they're actually learning how to defend themselves. They refuse to look toward proper training for fighting effectively taking them out of the true realm of martial arts. Now there are some fairly solid TKD organizations out there but they're not represented by the vast majority thus undermining any attempt at validating their system.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31384

…and as well as in many other posts on this board, I hear the same thing, that the ATA & WTF are interested in money above all else. I will say that I have no personal experience with ether, and that it is quite possible that there are good schools within these orgs. -john

steve_990
10/04/2006 4:32pm,
Hahahah - glad you linked to that John - damn funny post by Omega :)

HonkyTonkMan
10/04/2006 4:32pm,
Omega posted in “Why your MA sucks”:

Taekwondo: You're represented by the biggest morons out there WTF and ATA. These organizations are out for your money, boosting their prestige, and brain washing you into believing that there is a purpose to what they are doing. All the while, WTF specifically, handing you this crock of **** on how long taekwondo has been in existence. Because of their prejudice outlook toward the karate/Japanese culture in which it originated from they've developed a sport based on a game played over 1000 years ago and make people think they're actually learning how to defend themselves. They refuse to look toward proper training for fighting effectively taking them out of the true realm of martial arts. Now there are some fairly solid TKD organizations out there but they're not represented by the vast majority thus undermining any attempt at validating their system.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31384

…and as well as in many other posts on this board, I hear the same thing, that the ATA & WTF are interested in money above all else. I will say that I have no personal experience with ether, and that it is quite possible that there are good schools within these orgs. -john

Say this with me.....SARCASM......

and quit kissing Omega's ass....