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neocat
9/30/2006 7:32pm,
Question for Wing Chun or JKD people:
How extensive was Bruce Lee' s knowledge of Wing Chun?

From what I heard he did not know the third form of the system, Bil Jee. And, what about the butterfly knives and staff? Just curious.

wackamole
9/30/2006 8:01pm,
By all accounts his WC was based on speed and power. And he had lots of that. Not so much on position and sensitivity. So it was good WC for his time, but [some] WC has moved on in its approach.

Vulgar42Ox
10/01/2006 4:07pm,
his wing chun training was extremely incomplete. he was disgustingly good at what he knew, but he wouldnt be certified to teach traditional wing chun by anymeans. he was amazing at the wing chun he did but it wasnt compelete

Odacon
10/01/2006 7:39pm,
It's rumored that Bruce Lee was cruel to animals and often stole food from poor people.

nezha
10/01/2006 8:15pm,
I heard he moved to America and invented his own style!

jubei33
10/01/2006 8:17pm,
Oh noes! You cant pass the third grade without learning the butterflies! A travesty, I tells ya!

Doctor X
10/01/2006 8:17pm,
Odacon wins the thread.

One of these days, I will have to pick up RW Smith's Martial Arts Musings. He, literally, attacks Lee in a chapter which I skimmed in a bookstore. To my recollection he visited the "old school" of Yip Man and found that Lee was rated "low" as a student or some such. Take all of that with a big scoop of salt, because I do not have the book. Smith, however, seems to go overboard in his "anti-Leeness." I think he blames all that is wrong in Civilization on the violence he believes is "glorified" in chopsocki films.

Lee has become like Einstein in that he is a "target" for people who want to feel wonderful about themselves one way or another--nutrider or nutbiter. He was not as good as some fans want to believe, nor was he as bad as some critics want to believe either.

--J.D.

Vulgar42Ox
10/01/2006 8:18pm,
bruce lee is a silly goose

Vulgar42Ox
10/01/2006 8:21pm,
as soon as a i post, you invade Doctor X. I seriously as I was posting, I was thinking to myself, I guess that guy isnt in EVERY thread I've ever been in after all, and as soon as the page refreshes, there is the good Doctor. I really want to read a book bashing bruce lee, im not ashamed that im a huge bruce lee mark, obviously because i take jeet kune do.

i just want to read a book not praising him, but trying to bring him down. theres a lot of people that hate bruce lee can you shed any light for me as to why people hate bruce lee?

do they think he was a fake?

Doctor X
10/01/2006 8:36pm,
as soon as a i post, you invade Doctor X.

All part of my sinister plans. . . .

http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/uploads/doctorx_327.jpg


I really want to read a book bashing bruce lee, im not ashamed that im a huge bruce lee mark, obviously because i take jeet kune do.

Again, I have not read it, but RW Smith's book: Martial Arts Musings (http://www.amazon.com/Martial-Musings-Portrayal-Arts-Century/dp/1893765008/sr=8-1/qid=1159752740/ref=sr_1_1/002-1888295-3468802?ie=UTF8&s=books) is pretty negative to the point of "protesting too much, methinks."


do they think he was a fake?

I really do not know. I think part of it is because he is popularly seen as the pinicle . . . pinacal . . . epitome of martial arts. There is a documentary or sorts on his unfinished film Game of Death which positively lionizes him to ridiculousness. I think some of the negative comes from such nutriding.

--J.D.

TehDeadlyDimMak
10/01/2006 10:14pm,
as soon as a i post, you invade Doctor X. I seriously as I was posting, I was thinking to myself, I guess that guy isnt in EVERY thread I've ever been in after all, and as soon as the page refreshes, there is the good Doctor. I really want to read a book bashing bruce lee, im not ashamed that im a huge bruce lee mark, obviously because i take jeet kune do.

i just want to read a book not praising him, but trying to bring him down. theres a lot of people that hate bruce lee can you shed any light for me as to why people hate bruce lee?

do they think he was a fake?

You'll find a lot of sources through the search function.

Generally many people discredit Bruce Lee because he was never adequetly pressure tested as a fighter. Whereas Muhammad Ali had the chance to PROVE he's among the greatest, Bruce Lee's greatest accomplishments were through the cinema.

To his credit most accounts verify that Bruce Lee was generally interested in learning how to fight unlike many(Seagal, Van Damme). However, through scenarios brought forth by his interaction with teachers like Gene Lebell it became apparent that Bruce was less a master of fighting and more of a student like the rest of us.

To me Bruce Lee simply represents a talented icon that got out of control in the rumor department.

AAAhmed46
10/01/2006 10:33pm,
Good post Dimak.

Nestorius
10/01/2006 11:26pm,
Wasn't Yip Man an opium addict?

TehDeadlyDimMak
10/01/2006 11:28pm,
Wasn't Yip Man an opium addict?

I've heard that, but I'm not sure if it can be verified or disproven.

Xiangfei
10/02/2006 3:31am,
He knew his chi sau, to a point, although as far as I was told he didn't learn anything beyond the chum kiu form. So no biu gee or weapons.

Dagon Akujin
10/02/2006 4:24am,
There's an old story where Bruce went to Ip Mann and offered to buy him a house to teach him the wooden dummy form. Bruce didn't even know that he was supposed to learn Bil Jee next. Mann was very offended and basically told Bruce to go **** himself. Apparently Lee then learned the dummy form from someone else by trading for dancing lessons.

Dagon