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Afrin
8/03/2006 4:03pm,
I have to say that I really love this site, and I think I'm actually addicted. I started checking this site out when a friend told me that I should get involved with is
ke?po school, and I decided to do some research. While I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with his school (that I know of) I've decided that Ke?po is not the way i want to go and would like to explore BJJ and MMA. That being said, I'm moving from San Diego to Riverside this fall for grad school and started looking for a local BJJ school (if possible).

Doing a cursory search, I found http://www.unitedbjj.com/default.htm Does anyone have an opion about Dunbar? I am a little worried that he offers TKD along side BJJ. Is that a warning sign? Are there any other recommendations for Riverside?



Thanks

plasma
8/03/2006 4:07pm,
Let me give you congrats on using capitial letters, a normal font , a brief history and a link to said school. This is rare for n00bs.


As for TKD along side BJJ. Not a warning sign, dojos got to pay rent too. I would send an email asking for their BJJ qualification, aka instructors,rank etc.

Afrin
8/03/2006 4:15pm,
well, he is listed on BJJ.org: http://www.bjj.org/a/people/dunbar-rommel.html, and his site says he's certified by the Confederacao Brasileira De Jiu-Jitsu as a black belt. He looks good on paper, but by any chance someone has had a personal encounter or opinion? I would love to hear it. Or, I would certainly like to hear other recomendations for Riverside.

Tenebrous
8/03/2006 4:20pm,
well, he is listed on BJJ.org: http://www.bjj.org/a/people/dunbar-rommel.html, and his site says he's certified by the Confederacao Brasileira De Jiu-Jitsu as a black belt. He looks good on paper, but by any chance someone has had a personal encounter or opinion? I would love to hear it. Or, I would certainly like to hear other recomendations for Riverside.

Don't mind what else runs out of a given school. Lots of them share space to pay the bills.

Where in Riverside?

plasma
8/03/2006 4:22pm,
well, he is listed on BJJ.org: http://www.bjj.org/a/people/dunbar-rommel.html, and his site says he's certified by the Confederacao Brasileira De Jiu-Jitsu as a black belt. He looks good on paper, but by any chance someone has had a personal encounter or opinion? I would love to hear it. Or, I would certainly like to hear other recomendations for Riverside.


BJJ is pretty strict with its grading, a BJJ.org Black Belt, go for it.

Omega Supreme
8/03/2006 5:00pm,
I have to say that I really love this site, and I think I'm actually addicted. I started checking this site out when a friend told me that I should get involved with is
ke?po school, and I decided to do some research. While I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with his school (that I know of) I've decided that Ke?po is not the way i want to go and would like to explore BJJ and MMA. That being said, I'm moving from San Diego to Riverside this fall for grad school and started looking for a local BJJ school (if possible).

Doing a cursory search, I found http://www.unitedbjj.com/default.htm Does anyone have an opion about Dunbar? I am a little worried that he offers TKD along side BJJ. Is that a warning sign? Are there any other recommendations for Riverside?



Thanks

Yeah, I think he's an asshole, and you can tell him I said that too. I was watching a match where he was the judge. This guy gets neckcranked. The guy getting neck cranked cried out neck crank, then he had to tap. I told Dunbar that was a neck crank and he shook his head. I said I'm not going to argue with you but watch this. I walked on the mat, turned around 'everybody who thought that was a neck crank raise your hand. 85% of the crowd raised their hand. He looked at me for 5 seconds or so and then said 'it was a choke.' The guy doesn't deserve to ref if this is how he's going to be.

Omega Supreme
8/03/2006 5:02pm,
Don't mind what else runs out of a given school. Lots of them share space to pay the bills.

Where in Riverside?

East of San Diego County, South of Orange County.

Tenebrous
8/03/2006 5:09pm,
East of San Diego County, South of Orange County.

Good thing Riverside is just a couple miles across then, eh?

Afrin
8/03/2006 6:37pm,
Omega, do you have suggestions of anyone else I should check out? And to whomever asked, I'll be living near UC Riverside.


hah... I think i would say it's north of San Diego county and east of Orange county
http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/upload/2/2f/California_map_showing_Riverside_County.png

Tenebrous
8/03/2006 7:27pm,
Omega, do you have suggestions of anyone else I should check out? And to whomever asked, I'll be living near UC Riverside.


hah... I think i would say it's north of San Diego county and east of Orange county
http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/upload/2/2f/California_map_showing_Riverside_County.png

Other than Dunbar, there's a Joe Moreira blackbelt in Norco and Dunbar's instructor operates out of Rancho Cucamonga. If you're willing to drive that is.

I found someone's myspace profile claiming they were part of a BJJ club at UCR, but was unable to find any more information on a bjj club at UCR. Hunt around at the campus for clubs, if they have anything legit it's likely to be the cheapest training you're ever going to get.

Omega Supreme
8/03/2006 9:16pm,
Omega, do you have suggestions of anyone else I should check out? And to whomever asked, I'll be living near UC Riverside.


hah... I think i would say it's north of San Diego county and east of Orange county
http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/upload/2/2f/California_map_showing_Riverside_County.png

Blah, okay got me on that one.

If you're looking for BJJ in the area I wouldn't know although I had heard there were several Royce Gracie studios in the area.

Yrkoon9
8/04/2006 12:24am,
Dunbar refereed one of my matches at the OTM tourney this weekend. He was fair. I had no complaints.

Copy/Paste Kid
8/04/2006 12:55am,
Maybe he sucks as a ref like Omega commented but he could be a good teacher.
I took a glance at the website and he seems to run a normal BJJ school.

Notice that he has many White Belts, Many Blue Belt, few Purples and a couple of Browns.. If he ran a BJJ McDojo you would read that list of students with many people at the higher ranks. His initial presentation at least to an unbiased person like myself looks legit enough to at least go down and check out the free first class.

By the information on his website and BJJ.org... I would say to at least go check it out man.

Good Luck.

CPK.

Afrin
8/04/2006 3:37am,
Ok, so I did a little more searching... interesting stuff.

I found another person who is listed on BJJ.org; John Kvenbo Munoz with United Submission Academy (http://www.teamusabjj.com/) Unfortunarely it appears a bit farther than Dunbar's from UC Riverside. It nonetheless looks interesting.

Now to something that made me raise an eyebrow... The Allen Academy (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/index.html) of Riverside offers Jiu Jitsu, Kemp, Tai Chi, something called Shinsho, and weapons training. A quote from their jiu jitsu page (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/arts-jujitsu.html) states:

The higher levels of this system [jiu jitsu] reveal an intricate and beautiful system of effortless effort that includes precise striking of nerve centers, balance disruption of adversaries for throws, sweeps and takedown, powerful projections, and dynamic Ki (Chinese chi) development.

I got their site when I did a search on MMA and Riverside. Evidently they have a MMA class as well (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/prgms-mma.html) I don't know... my first impression is that this place is a major McDojo, but I'm not very qualified at making that judgement.

This was a picture from their MMA page, it's LOLable for one reason or another:
http://www.allenmaacademy.com/images/prgms-fc5.jpg


Anywho.... I am stoked to check out Munoz and Dunbar. I think I'll skip on the other place.

Here are the rates for Dunbar:

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (Adults)
5-7 times per week $130.00/Month
1 year contract $115.00/Month
4 year contract $75.00/Month
Private Class $75.00/Hour
3 Months (Cash) $300.00
6 Months (Cash) $510.00
12 Months (Cash) $900.00
Black Belt Program $4000.00
Cross-training Black Belt Program $5000.00
Sign up fee $55.00

I'm not sure what the "black belt program" and "cross-training black belt program" are. Also, I'm not sure if I get why a 3 month contract is 300 dollars or 100/month, and a one year contract is 115/month. I might be reading it wrong.

I didn't see rates for Munoz.

Teh El Macho
8/04/2006 8:15am,
Now to something that made me raise an eyebrow... The Allen Academy (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/index.html) of Riverside offers Jiu Jitsu, Kemp, Tai Chi, something called Shinsho, and weapons training. A quote from their jiu jitsu page (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/arts-jujitsu.html) states:


The higher levels of this system [jiu jitsu] reveal an intricate and beautiful system of effortless effort that includes precise striking of nerve centers, balance disruption of adversaries for throws, sweeps and takedown, powerful projections, and dynamic Ki (Chinese chi) development.

Master Yoda has something to say regarding Ki:


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5808/bullshitthisisyoda9ap.jpg


I got their site when I did a search on MMA and Riverside. Evidently they have a MMA class as well (http://www.allenmaacademy.com/prgms-mma.html) I don't know... my first impression is that this place is a major McDojo, but I'm not very qualified at making that judgement.

This was a picture from their MMA page, it's LOLable for one reason or another:
http://www.allenmaacademy.com/images/prgms-fc5.jpg


Yeah, it popped up in MMA searches because they advertise a MMA class (that's the page from where you got that picture... which kinda reminds me of the Matrix. Their MMA class is, and I quote, based on kicking and striking drills combined with grappling drills. No sparring = bs.

But this is the biggest bullshit flag at the bottom of their their FAQ page:


Do you compete in tournaments?
No, not usually. At this school we focus on internal validation rather than external. In tournaments, students are pitted against each other in competition. Rather, we seek to teach our students how to conquer their inner enemies, vanquish their self-imposed limitations, and cultivate inner peace, which are much more rewarding pursuits.

To be honest, I'd suggest a combination of yoga and a spiritual study group (and perhaps a shrink) as a better means to achieve inner peace and conquering their inner demons, but that's me.

Olorin
8/04/2006 9:21am,
http://www.allenmaacademy.com/images/prgms-fc5.jpg

It almost looks Photoshoped. Think about it, the girl is in the air, but being kicked in the stomach, if she was standing on the ground that kick would have hit her in the face, so how did it end up hitting her stomach, the only way this could happen is if she jumped into the air herself and then took the kick.

Its just weird