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karate26
7/24/2006 11:52am,
Hello,

I have been doing some reserach about martial arts instructors who are working with the Ottawa Police Service (OPS). I came came accross this information about the World Elite Black Belt Society, and instructor Gary Houldsworth:


http://www.jukoshinryu.ca/WEBBS_Canada/tech-rep.html

" W.E.B.B.S. Canada's Technical Director


Representative: Shihan Gary Houldsworth
Address: 2-5360 Canotek Rd.
City: Ottawa, Ontario K1J 9E5
Country: Canada
Phone: 1-613-850-0872
E-mail: [email protected]
Website: http://www.jukoshinryu.ca



Shihan Gary Houldsworth has been involved in martial arts for over thirty years and is now under the direction of Shihan Bryan Cheek and practices the Jukoshin Ryu System of Jiu-Jitsu. He is Canadian Director of the World Elite Black Belt Society (W.E.B.B.S.) and for Jukoshin Ryu International

He holds a 5th dan black belt in the martial art of Jiu-jitsu, and is also a certified 'Pressure Points Control Tactics' (PPCT) instructor. He has taught extensively to the Ottawa Police Department, and to numerous other policing agencies.
Renshi Houldsworth has represented Canada in Europe and has won many awards, both locally and nationally. He is known for his good fellowship and keen but fair competitive spirit, thus earning him the reputation as one of the elite in the sport and practice of martial arts.



Gary teaches Private Investigations at a local Academy and is an Investigation/Security Consultant. He also specializes in executive protection which is a service he offers to Business Executives & VIP's. He was trained by the F.B.I. and the Secret Service in the art of executive protection, and now teaches his own unique blend of close protection to Canadian law, security and executive protection specialists.

It is with great honour and humility that Renshi Houldsworth accepted the Canadian directorship of W.E.B.B.S., and vows to give total commitment and complete dedication to the duties and challenges of this position. "

(another link, similar info: http://www.webbsma.com/houldsworth.html)

...it seems unusual that a man trained by the FBI and Secret Service would be teaching out of Ottawa. Is there anyone here who can confirm Gary Houldsworth's connections and teaching experience to the OPS?

Also, I have not seen anything on Bullshido about the World Elite Black Belt Society:

http://www.webbsma.com/

Is the group credible? Or is this another "Black Arts" (London, Ontario) type group? All information is appreciated.

Jaric
7/24/2006 11:58am,
This guy is one of my old sensei's. I dont know about the org, but he knew his **** when I was training with him years ago. Ill have to go in and say Hi one of these days...

Askari
7/24/2006 8:00pm,
WEBBS certainly looks like a circle jerk.

karate26
7/26/2006 6:34pm,
This guy is one of my old sensei's. I dont know about the org, but he knew his **** when I was training with him years ago. Ill have to go in and say Hi one of these days...

If I may ask, how old were you when you trained with him? Would you have a different perception of him now ?

Also, can you comment on his background and teaching experience?

karate26
7/26/2006 6:36pm,
WEBBS certainly looks like a circle jerk.

...Yep, looks that way to me too. I figured someone on Bullshido might have taken a look at them. I'm thinking about re-applying to the OPS, so I was hoping to find an instructor who actually works with the service.

Yrkoon9
7/26/2006 6:41pm,
L33T!

50 DKP MINUS! Just for using the world 'elite' in his organization.

FredGarvinMP
7/27/2006 6:23am,
As few completely superficial obsrvations:

- "Cool" sounding, acronym school name (CHECK)
- Pressure Points Control Tactics' (PPCT) certification appears to be a web based curriculum here: http://www.ppct.com/index.htm (CHECK)
- New gi's /belts with lots of patches (CHECK)
- Pictures of students with illustrious tournament trophies (http://www.webbsma.com/images/gallery/team.jpg) (CHECK)

Who knows? These guys may be different.

Askari
7/27/2006 6:56am,
Hi FredGarvin,

PPCT is a major police tactics system, its been around for a long time. Its not a martial art per se. PPCT is said to be the most commonly taught Police DT system in North America. So you'll see almost every cop in NA going through it or a very similiar system.

Not that it makes it better tactically then other systems for the same purpose, just that it is the most common.

Yrkoon9
7/27/2006 10:22am,
Honestly cops would be better off learning some basic and effective takedowns & wrestling. Because from what I have seen they are lacking in this department. Screw the pressure points. Work on immobilizing a resisting suspect.

FredGarvinMP
7/27/2006 11:35am,
Hi FredGarvin,

PPCT is a major police tactics system, its been around for a long time. Its not a martial art per se. PPCT is said to be the most commonly taught Police DT system in North America. So you'll see almost every cop in NA going through it or a very similiar system.

Not that it makes it better tactically then other systems for the same purpose, just that it is the most common.The web site I saw had very little descriptions of the actual learning process. I couldn't find anything about course lengths or locations, etc...Is this something where an instructor comes out to the location and teaches? How does this work? Thanks for the info.

Jaric
7/27/2006 9:26pm,
If I may ask, how old were you when you trained with him? Would you have a different perception of him now ?

Also, can you comment on his background and teaching experience?


Okay well he was one of my teachers about eight years ago when I was taking Can Ryu jiu Jitsu. From what I remember he was very good at it, and was a very good teacher. He was only a third degree at the time.

I dont know what my opinion of him would be right now. I would have to see him teach and roll with him. I see that he is affiliated with a school near me, so I guess ill have to stop in and see a class. But the Org. hes part of does seem very very fishy....

Askari
7/28/2006 6:52am,
Honestly cops would be better off learning some basic and effective takedowns & wrestling. Because from what I have seen they are lacking in this department. Screw the pressure points. Work on immobilizing a resisting suspect.
PPCT does include takedowns, such as Wakigatami. The system is for a low level resistance situation and safe handcuffing - for high resistance police carry weapons. The system also includes MT low kicks etc.

The pressure point portions are to deal with verbal resistance, so pain compliance can work there. Again PPCT is not a martial art and not for anything except its very specific application as part of a use-of-force continuum.
I couldn't find anything about course lengths or locations, etc...Is this something where an instructor comes out to the location and teaches? How does this work?Most police forces give 35 to 40 hours of training for their DT, its not as high a priority as say driving or how to deal with the public proffessionally. Again most police forces train one of their guys as a full time instructor, but a number of these cops freelance to teach PPCT outside.

There are also a high number of security guard companies that put their people through PPCT, its a fairly robust system in terms of its legal defensibility.

Planktime
7/28/2006 11:34am,
PPCT does include takedowns, such as Wakigatami. The system is for a low level resistance situation and safe handcuffing - for high resistance police carry weapons. The system also includes MT low kicks etc.

The pressure point portions are to deal with verbal resistance, so pain compliance can work there. Again PPCT is not a martial art and not for anything except its very specific application as part of a use-of-force continuum.Most police forces give 35 to 40 hours of training for their DT, its not as high a priority as say driving or how to deal with the public proffessionally. Again most police forces train one of their guys as a full time instructor, but a number of these cops freelance to teach PPCT outside.

There are also a high number of security guard companies that put their people through PPCT, its a fairly robust system in terms of its legal defensibility.

This is a great description of PPCT.

Not really a martial art more like a series techniques to be used in a low resistance/non-motivated combatabt sense. That being said police officer for the most part are only modestly trained for unarmed combat. I trained with the departments that I used to dispatch for, the officers i worked with were about the equivilant of people who had been training for a year or two. Effective but, against people with more time on the mat/in the dojo they usually switch up to a more effective means of combat (Spray=>stick=>gun)

The reason PPCT is used is because the certification comes with a pledge of support fromt he PPCT lawyers if the techniques are used and the cops get sued.

PT

FredGarvinMP
7/28/2006 11:39am,
It makes sense. Thanks for the info.

newfieguy30
7/28/2006 3:43pm,
Jaric are you referring to the style of jujitsu this person teaches as "fishy" or the WEBBS organization just to clarify? BTW, do you know anything about this style that is taught- Jukoshin Ryu?

Neildo
7/28/2006 3:50pm,
There are also a high number of security guard companies that put their people through PPCT, its a fairly robust system in terms of its legal defensibility.

When i find my PPCT training manual, i'll scan and post, upon request.