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Phrost
6/04/2003 11:51am,
I actually got part of this idea from BigRod over at the ADCC forum. What I'd like to see is an in-depth discussion on the history of a particular art (such as Taekwondo) geared toward producing as legitimate a factual history as possible, free of all the bullshit, politics, and fantasy many accounts are filled with.

Everyone would collaborate and come up with an initial draft, that would be subjected to review and final analysis by the forum. The finished product would be a featured article on that particular style, and used as a reference point for people interested.

Up until now, we've discussed many of the problems in the martial arts. I feel this would be a great first step toward accomplishing our greater goals of cutting down on the fraud and bullshit in MA.

What do you guys think?

JKDChick
6/04/2003 11:56am,
This is a great idea. It would be good to start with TKS, Karate, Judo, Kung Fu -- the biggies.

"I'm willing to bet I could **** up an emu real good, if I got the drop on the bastard."
-- KC Elbows, my new hero.

Omega Supreme
6/04/2003 11:57am,
You're going to get a lot of tangents on this one but I think its a good idea. My friends been writing a book on it and shares once in a while. Makes me look intellegent to you guys.

Go away I'm talking to myself

Phrost
6/04/2003 12:02pm,
I think doing Kung Fu collectively would be a bit impossible. Just Wing Chun alone has enough facts to sort through that it would take a lot of effort.

I'd really just like to see a history for each art that most everyone can agree is as close to what really happened as it could possibly be without having living witnesses.

Ambitious? Yes, but this whole site is the product of good-natured ambition.

Ideally, we'd get the input of style experts, and cross check information. You're right that it would be a lot of work, but if we don't do this thing, who else could?

Kempocos
6/04/2003 12:04pm,
I like it. It will be important that as stated the politcal crap, personal bias stays out. The information needs to offered with referances so the info can be confirmed to keep the " stories " down to a min..

Ever been punched in the mouth for talking too much : Xander ( vin diesal )in the movie TRIPLE X

Phrost
6/04/2003 12:08pm,
If we get enough interest in this thread, we'll have to start an offical thread on a particular art. I'm guessing we'd start with TKD.

This is how I see it happening; a several step process:

1. The discussion would begin, and information gathered. Sources would be listed with each bit of info.

2. The info would be reviewed by everyone for accuracy, and the discussion would turn toward coming to a consensus on what is agreed as fact.

3. A draft, including only the agreed on facts would be produced.

4. The draft would be reviewed, again by members of the website, and when a general consensus is arrived at, the final article would be posted in a section of the website devoted to MA style histories.

Omega Supreme
6/04/2003 12:13pm,
Hah! can of worms here can of worms.

Go away I'm talking to myself

gong sau
6/04/2003 12:16pm,
Man, this'll take a while to put it lightly. I'll use WC by way of example because it is the one I'm most familiar with in this context. There is currently a site (www.wingchunkuen.com) that already has most of the information available, and was put together by someone who has spent many years, travelling all over the place, to gather the info. I guess it all depends on how in-depth you want to get; do you want a basic timeline, or do you want to get into details about subsystems and branches?

Maybe if we had a section of the site in which to dump research so that we can make better use of the members' contacts and existent research to date. That way, we won't end up with 20 articles on TKD and BJJ, but none on Fukkien White Crane.

It's a good idea. We should definitely discuss the logistics involved and come up some kind of a plan of action before we embark on such an ambitious venture.

Omega Supreme
6/04/2003 12:17pm,
Sorry, that was brief.
My friend here said that in his studies there's a firm belief system out there about truths in the history of martial arts. What everybody believes is so just isn't. His study resembles more of a forensic look at the history that we've been presented and analyzed as such. Thus when I'd be giving my opinion it'll be based on his research which will inturn piss of many people.

Go away I'm talking to myself

illyrus
6/04/2003 12:19pm,
I think it will be a good and cool idea if it can get off the ground.

I'll be happy to work up some info on Sambo/Sombo/Cambo, I have a decent amount of info on it at home that I've gotten both thru the style and research on the style for papers.

Wyatt

gong sau
6/04/2003 12:19pm,
Heh, you got to it before I finished my post, Phrost! That's not a bad starting point. At least we can focus on one thing and refine the plan as we go.

Miguksaram
6/04/2003 12:23pm,
Some TKD and HKD history: http://www.koreanma.homestead.com/HistoryPageContent.html

This is based on some brief studies that I did and is in no way "law of the land" Now here is the part that I haven't quite gotten to yet, I am wanting, eventually, to compare things to Korean History in general to see if things would jive. I would be more than happy to help out in the Korean MA aspect.

Jeremy M. Talbott
http://www.koreanma.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.martialscience.homestead.com/home.html

Omega Supreme
6/04/2003 12:26pm,
Don't believe in anything Jeremy says!!! (He's actaully Ashida Kim in disguise)

Go away I'm talking to myself

Miguksaram
6/04/2003 12:27pm,
These reports are old and I have since found more references to add more information, I have just been too lazy to act on it. So if you know of more information, I would be glad to add on.

Jeremy M. Talbott
http://www.koreanma.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.martialscience.homestead.com/home.html

Miguksaram
6/04/2003 12:28pm,
Damn...you found out my secret...now I will have to use the Ashida Kim trade marked mind meld and make you forget

Jeremy M. Talbott
http://www.koreanma.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.martialscience.homestead.com/home.html

Bolverk
6/04/2003 12:53pm,
This sounds like an interesting endeavour. I would be willing to contribute to this topic in some fashion. After all, many of our Masters were there when the offical TKD was created.

Sincerely,

Knowing it is not enough, we must apply.
Willing is not enough, we must do.