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Kintama
3/09/2006 7:21am,
Has anyone heard of this?

http://www.ryoute.com/

Ryoute could be described as ‘the art of double hand grappling’. This means that both hands are used in grappling. However ‘grappling’ can mean different things in different martial arts. In Ryoute ‘grappling’ means using your hands to grab any part of your training partner’s arms (usually the wrists). So head locks, rugby tackles and other standard wrestling techniques are not allowed. Ryoute is not wrestling.
wrist grappling = a sort of sub-crappling? if I'm not mistaken.

http://www.ryoute.com/awaveofconfidence1.asp

* The range looks too far away and impracticle.
* Seems compliant (attacker holding attacks out, holding on to wrists too long).
etc
etc

Askari
3/09/2006 7:42am,
I will admit, that at first I thought this was a joke, until I saw the number of videos on their site. After all most advanced TMA guys will complain about the stupid wrist grab applications of Karate Kata.

However I think this one is based on Wing Chun Chi Sao:

Video Link to ryoute montage (http://www.ryoute.com/images/grid%20grappling%20montage%2013-11-05.wmv)

Now this version is set to music and at times holding hands with your partner. Ok, so its Wing Chun Dancing Chi Sao, a new low.

I give you: Blindfold Chi Sao by the Ryoute:
http://www.ryoute.com/images/randori0018.jpg
And some traditional WC positions, from the ryoute home page:
http://www.ryoute.com/images/randori0020.jpg

Grashnak
3/09/2006 8:31am,
Ryoute could be described as ‘the art of double hand grappling’.

As compared, of course, to other styles which use the "one-hand tied behind the back" grappling.

:f-off:

MrMcFu
3/09/2006 8:44am,
Or it could be described as "two handed crappling" or _ing _un's retarded little sister.

Carpe Noctem
3/09/2006 9:21am,
What is the sound of one hand crappling?

Two handed grappling...so one hand tickles the balls while the other...never mind.

JPinAZ
3/09/2006 10:11am,
I agree, the videos whow the partners do look very compiant, and they turn their backs to thier opponents all the time. From what I see, there are a million opportunities for stirkes, but none taken.
It also seems, that while they gave it a "Japanese name" it was developed in UK and is a mixture of mostly WC and some Karate.

from thier site:
"Ryoute is a style of 'Double Hand Grappling' and 'Grid Grappling' that was developed in the United Kingdom by Martin Clewett and Ian Alexander.

'Double Hand Grappling' is a name that was given to an art developed by Martin Clewett and Robert Wall whilst researching the field of 'Karate Kata Bunkai' with help from Ian Alexander and Karl Hawkins and influenced by the work of Nathan Johnson and his associates.

'Grid Grappling' is a name that was given to an art developed by Martin Clewett and Ian Alexander whilst researching the forms Sui-Nim-Tao, Chum-Kiu, Biu-Tze, Muk-Yan-Chong, Sanchin, Rokushu. Also influenced by the work of Nathan Johnson and his associates"

Kintama
3/09/2006 10:43am,
in all fairness, there are probably some kick-ass moves for when someone tries to steal the remote or hogs your favorite PS2 controller.

Teh El Macho
3/09/2006 11:39am,
The art of "two hand grappling" refers to the techniques of chicken-chocking-fu using both hands!!!!

Askari
3/09/2006 1:19pm,
I can see these guys saying to each other:

"That street fighter isnt so tough, just watch what happens if he grabs both my wrists and does nothing else...and my drums are playing of course."

Goju - Joe
3/09/2006 1:35pm,
If they keep this up they'll end up duplicating Aikido

DerAuslander
3/09/2006 1:38pm,
Guys like these give research into Okinawan kata and the study of bunkai a bad name.

Avoid.

TheSparrow
3/09/2006 1:49pm,
It looks similar to a lot of Wing Chun. I don't understand why they stand on little cushions though...

Dagon Akujin
3/09/2006 2:30pm,
It looks similar to a lot of Wing Chun. I don't understand why they stand on little cushions though...

Standing on things to develope balance is a part of advanced _ing _un too. Not many schools have them (and many other CMAs use them), but they look something like this:
http://www.wckfc.com/PhotoAlb/muiFaJong.gif
http://www.wingchunhall.com/files/wingchun2.htm (at bottom)

Seems to use many _ing _un positions (ban, tan) but a wider stance, and no sense of center, base, forward energy, direct attack, etc., etc.

Dagon Akujin :eusa_hand

whybother
3/10/2006 9:37am,
It looks similar to a lot of Wing Chun. I don't understand why they stand on little cushions though...

And neither do they. ;) That's the trouble with most, if not all, of the traditional martial arts and these arts that try to rehash or combine traditional nonsense -- they never put these things to the test with genuinely resisting opponents and then analyze the results. All they do is recite the party line of the benefits of that sort of training, subject it to cooperative training (and guess what? surprisingly it works!), and pat each other on the back about how clever they are. Until I see something work against good skilled fighters, I presume it is crap. Funny how these websites never seem to have clips of that.

Guerrero
3/10/2006 10:36am,
I think we need a new acronym for martial arts like this: GMA (gh3y martial arts).

Fantasy Warrior
3/10/2006 10:49am,
That looks like generic chin-na, badly done (in terms of effectiveness). Note how many of the 'locks' are reliant on the attacker attempting to maintain the grip in a specific way - as such a normal person would just break away which leaves you with a needlessly diverse set of grab-escapes.... but lacking the obvious "smack them in the face" type universal defence.