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Dark_Glitch
2/17/2006 4:16pm,
If this doesn't belong here, I'm sorry, but I didn't think it would belong anywhere else.

What I want to know is, what is everyone's beef with Wing Chun. I only ask because I believe deep down, that everyone here would love to see someone succeed in this style, just because it would be one person who is backing their skills up with results. Which is what Bullshido is about right? Exposing frauds so that the real people can stand out on top.

Don't post here and say "No Wing Chunner can back up his ****", unless you've fought every last Wing Chun practicioner in the whole of the world. That is fucking childish and doesn't have a place on a forum like this one. Lets be adults about this.

Please, no flames, no insults, and no baiting. I'm not making this thread so you can bash me, and I'm not trying to bash you. I just want to know your logical reasonings for hating Wing Chun, in your own words. Take it as a Wing Chunner asking for you to point out traps for him not to fall in.

If you have nothing better to say than "Quit wasting your time" or "i can be4t u w1th mah JJ, der her her her!!!!1" don't post. I want to hear logic. Not opinion.

Obviously, if you don't hate Wing Chun, I'm not talking to you. :icon_wink

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.

Meager
2/17/2006 4:23pm,
This has never been discussed before on this site. Thanks for posting such a novel, interesting thread.

Dark_Glitch
2/17/2006 4:28pm,
Sorry, I should read more closely. I've spent too much time in the General B.S. forum.

thanks for moving it.

Abe Frohman
2/17/2006 4:28pm,
Don't post here and say "No Wing Chunner can back up his ****", unless you've fought every last Wing Chun practicioner in the whole of the world. That is fucking childish and doesn't have a place on a forum like this one. Lets be adults about this.

Wouldn't it be easier for you to just post a video of a _ing _unner that actually can back up his/her ****, rather than being a jackass nutrider who clings to the belief that somewhere out there is a _ing _unner with the real _ing _un who can back it up and nobody has seen in the last few decadesi. Its just that (select one or more options) 1) They are too deadly to spar, 2) living as hermit somewhere in China with no Intarweb, or 3) Training with Yoda in Galaxy Far Far Away?

Beyond that, use the search function, this thread comes up once a week at least.

Phrost
2/17/2006 4:32pm,
Don't post here and say "No Wing Chunner can back up his ****", unless you've fought every last Wing Chun practicioner in the whole of the world. That is fucking childish and doesn't have a place on a forum like this one. Lets be adults about this.


There's the flaw in your thinking.

It's not about proving a negative: "No Wing Chunner can ____" or "There is no such thing as an invisible purple ninja monkey".

It's about providing proof of one's claims that Wing Chun does not suck, or rather, is effective as a fighting art against people who train in superior punching arts like Boxing or Kickboxing.

And there is scant evidence to support such an assertion, while loads of evidence supporting the assertion that Wing Chun sucks. Asbel Cancio in the UFC, Emin Boztepe and William Cheung rolling on the ground like school kids instead of displaying any master-level fighting skills that resemble what they teach, etc, all call into question Wing Chun's ability to do anything other than subdue your wife when she's trying to maliciously twist your nipple.

That's what I use my Wing Chun training for.

plasma
2/17/2006 4:32pm,
I believe its mainly 2 things.

1. The Vast Majority (not all) Chunners believe they are too deadly to spar and make up claims that Wing Chun is the most effective MA period.

2. The staple of Wing Chun is quick centerline punching. Although on the surface is might look ok, its not. First it encourages throwing a punch with only your arm. This ends up with weak surface punching.

I been hit with the chain punch. After getting hit by Kickboxers, Boxers, and Koppojutsu guys the chain punch didn't even phase me.

3. (So what I added an extra one!) Chunners are fun to throw.

Tom Kagan
2/17/2006 4:37pm,
Wing Chun sucks because after I collected up enough crap people spouted about the style, I wrote this spoof ... and the same people started to incorporate what I wrote into their training as a more concise way to spout this ****.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31599

Dark_Glitch
2/17/2006 4:42pm,
Phrost: Thanks. I'll make some video as soon as my poor ass can get a camera. I agree with you that the Wing Chun "masters" have yet to prove what they can do. I however, have never seen my teacher get hit, no can I hit his higher ranked students. I think about asking him to let me attack him without restraint, but I don't think that is too wise...

So I'll ask him next week.

Kage Kaze: I spar frequently. I get hit alot. I understand what you mean though, a lot of people are like: "Dude, wtf I could kill u lolz!" My teacher however demands that we fight and make sure the technique works. I've been rocked quite a few times.

As for chain punching, I don't do it, cause I can't get much power out of the punches. Attacking the centerline though is great. All the good points to hit are on the Centerline IMO.

Cullion
2/17/2006 4:48pm,
An important step is doing that against people who don't do Wing Chun.

garbanzo
2/17/2006 4:51pm,
Arm punching.
Squaring off at close range.
Leaning back.

Demonstrating everything beginning in Chi Sau to make Sifu look good.

Demonstrating their **** constantly to anyone who is too polite to say "I don't care".

Phrost
2/17/2006 4:52pm,
An important step is doing that against people who don't do Wing Chun.

Bingo.

Since you're in KC, Glitch, it might be useful to suggest those senior students try their hand at MMA competition. There are events almost every month nowadays out here, and my instructor could set them up easily.

Kobayashi
2/17/2006 4:54pm,
[QUOTE=What I want to know is, what is everyone's beef with Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]

A couple of reasons not yet mentioned (at least in this thread)

1) Chunners cannot stop talking about the centerline concept like it is revolutionary in the world of martial arts

2) Chi sau is not the end all of training methods

3) Chunners cannot stop making posts about _ing _un.

jnp
2/17/2006 5:03pm,
Don't start crappy threads and you won't get flamed. Simple, isn't it?

Now go read the FAQ's/stickies. Pay particular attention to the part that says to do a search on your topic before starting a new thread. Allow me to assist you.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26350&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23501&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10368&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20232&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=555&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3949&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31281&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1780&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25766&highlight=problem+wing+chun
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10542&highlight=problem+wing+chun

There were many more, but I'm tired now.

The staff prefers it if you resurrect an old thread rather than starting a new one on the same subject. Now zark off.

Dagon Akujin
2/17/2006 6:23pm,
2. The staple of Wing Chun is quick centerline punching. Although on the surface is might look ok, its not. First it encourages throwing a punch with only your arm. This ends up with weak surface punching.


Thats not really true, but I really think this is what ends up leading to some of the lineage wars or "your _ing _un sucks" things out there. I've seen lots of video out there showing chain punching that simply doesn't work. A good 2 or 3 chain punches (without torque, and using only your arm rooted in your stance) is better than tossing out 50 little surface punches that are fast but not penetrating.

A "good" chain punch is *NOT* a surface punch, by definition though. Lee's "1-inch punch" is based on the _ing _un chain punch (or verticle punch, really, as he didn't "chain" it). A chain punch is supposed to be a "pushing" punch, however. Bruce Lee just made it look cooler.

And why people here hate it? I get the feeling there are simply lots of places out there that suck at it, and don't train it well enough to be effective. And I figure that those places probably outweigh the good ones. :seppuku:

Dagon Akujin

TehDeadlyDimMak
2/17/2006 7:05pm,
The problem is every _ing _un person to come onto this board claims that there are simply a large amount of schools that train _ing _un badly.

If that's the case then why not direct us to the good schools and fighters? Is your school one of the few that trains "good?"

Firebrand
2/17/2006 7:27pm,
This thread is worthless without video.
:wav: