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Ronin.74
2/08/2006 2:50pm,
I have noticed a lot of TKD threads lately that usually have several people saying how great TKD is and then another group bashing them and basically calling them idiots (in very creative ways I might add).

So here is a couple of things that I thought I would bring up for discussion.

1. It seems IMO that the interest in Olympic TKD is beginning to wane, and it is possible that in the near future it will no longer be an Olympic event. If it is removed from the Olympics do you think TKD instructors will begin to rediscover their roots and TKD will once again become more of a hardcore style (perhaps like Kyokushin)? Or will the same WTF Olympic crap continue to be shoveled to the masses?

2. If TKD had not become an Olympic event what do you believe state of TKD would be today?

I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions

SFGOON
2/08/2006 3:12pm,
I've heard that TKD is a big deal in Korea, though I have never seen this with my own eyes. Why would the olympic comittee remove TKD and not, say, curling? TKD is STRICTLY a sport, and will remain so forever.

Slydermv
2/08/2006 3:15pm,
1. Olympic TKD just barely made it on the card for the up coming olympics... and is "on probation" based on my understanding (it beat out baseball, which is a good thing cuase baseball fuckin' sucks!).

All the new rule implimentations are there to make it "more exicting to the viewer" to watch, rather then having players bounce around and throw a turning kick once per round. Personally, I enjoy olympic style TKD, watching and competing, and I'm hoping it keeps it's place in the olympics... martial usefulness aside. The new rules are nice and will make matches more exciting to watch imo. If it went away, I'm not sure how the WTF organisation would react.

2. No idea. That's better left to people who trained TKD before it's olympic birth, and saw how it changed because of it.

One thing about this style of TKD is that fact that it is a middle ground to full contact sparring. It's a gateway into MA. It's for recreational martial artists who are not going to fight full contact, and for people learning about MA who may eventiually. Nut riding aside and understanding its martial limitations, I think this style of TKD is importiant, as long as people understand what it's about.

Torakaka
2/08/2006 3:23pm,
as long as TKD is part of the olympics and women's boxing is not, the olympics can go straight to hell.

EternalRage
2/08/2006 3:31pm,
I have noticed a lot of TKD threads lately that usually have several people saying how great TKD is and then another group bashing them and basically calling them idiots (in very creative ways I might add).

So here is a couple of things that I thought I would bring up for discussion.

1. It seems IMO that the interest in Olympic TKD is beginning to wane, and it is possible that in the near future it will no longer be an Olympic event. If it is removed from the Olympics do you think TKD instructors will begin to rediscover their roots and TKD will once again become more of a hardcore style (perhaps like Kyokushin)? Or will the same WTF Olympic crap continue to be shoveled to the masses?

It depends why interest in Olympic TKD is waning, the instructors will probably adapt to that reason. If its because the general public and martial arts world is moving towards more extreme avenues of combat sports like MMA and NHB, they will need massive revision to play catchup. If it is because people are just not interested anymore, they will probably sink deeper into McDojoland and use cheaper gayer more retarded tactics to get students.


2. If TKD had not become an Olympic event what do you believe state of TKD would be today?
I think the Kukkiwon and South Korean government had always envisioned something like this for TKD, that being said, the question to me should be "what if TKD didn't fall into the hands of corrupt embezzling nationalistic fools", in which case I'd say it would probably be moving parallel to today's major karate systems.

Slydermv
2/08/2006 3:31pm,
as long as TKD is part of the olympics and women's boxing is not, the olympics can go straight to hell.

TKD has womens divisions....

Torakaka
2/08/2006 3:33pm,
TKD has womens divisions....

I know, which just makes it all the worse

Fantasy Warrior
2/08/2006 3:35pm,
Is the end of Olympic TKD near?
crosses fingers....

DdlR
2/08/2006 3:44pm,
I started training in WTF TKD in about 1978 and at that stage it was a reasonably good "TMA" style, basically Shotokan with more kicks and some creative drills. Sparring was full-contact kicks to the head and body, full-contact punches to the body only, sometimes wearing hogu (chest protectors) and sometimes ... not. The Olympic sparring style started to be introduced in the mid-80s as I recall, and that's basically why I left TKD.

If the Olympic style hadn't been introduced, modern TKD sparring would probably resemble Kyokushinkai or possibly Tae Kyon. Korean nationalism being what it is, I suspect that the hyung (patterns) would have been revised to get away from the Japanese/Okinawan influence. Unfortunately, the Olympic aspect is only one contribution to the crappification of TKD; the other was that the Korean government sponsored instructors to colonize the world and set up schools which have now mostly evolved into McDojangs.

EternalRage
2/08/2006 3:48pm,
If the Olympic style hadn't been introduced, modern TKD sparring would probably resemble Kyokushinkai or possibly Tae Kyon. Korean nationalism being what it is, I suspect that the hyung (patterns) would have been revised to get away from the Japanese/Okinawan influence.
That was their rationale for the TaeGeuks. They still look like karate forms, except lazier and lacking any real effort.

Maybe Kyokushin. If there were more Mas Oyamas who got tired of what they were doing. TaeKyon, I doubt it. Because TKD has little to do with it in the first place, the karate links are stronger - I'd say it would have drifted more to that direction than any of the true Korean MA.

CanucKyokushin
2/08/2006 3:49pm,
****!I can't believe my internet froze the moment I pressed the Reply button.

Basically the point I was trying to make was that the root of the problem isn't the TKD in the Olympics imo.Much of it is the instruction in many North-American schools.It seems most TKD school's are members of Sport-karate organizations.

The other point Iw as tyring to make was that it's easier for instructors to fill up schools with students if you teach non-contact fighting systems like point-sparring or even teach self-defense though forms techniques.It's much easier to fill the heads of people with the belief of fighting prowess.

Taekwon
2/08/2006 3:50pm,
WTF Taekwondo has flaws and shortcoming but it is highly underrated in my opinion. I hope it will make some changes but that doesn't make it bad.

People here who don't know jackshit should shut the hell up.

EternalRage
2/08/2006 3:53pm,
Lol Taekwon. How many threads now have you kept repeating the "if you don't know shut up" line.

First of all, MANY MANY MANY MANY members on this board have done WTF TKD, some even before you were born. Others have at least sparred WTF TKD practitioners. People who don't fall into either category are generally new people to martial arts. So don't bother with that line anymore, it doesn't apply to a huge majority of this forum. Don't automatically believe that just because we have massive criticisms of WTF TKD that we haven't done it.

Iron Rooster
2/08/2006 3:54pm,
as long as TKD is part of the olympics and women's boxing is not, the olympics can go straight to hell.

Women can box?








jk :

Slydermv
2/08/2006 4:03pm,
WTF Taekwondo has flaws and shortcoming but it is highly underrated in my opinion. I hope it will make some changes but that doesn't make it bad.

People here who don't know jackshit should shut the hell up.

Can somebody ban this knob gobbler? :BangHead:

DdlR
2/08/2006 4:18pm,
That was their rationale for the TaeGeuks. They still look like karate forms, except lazier and lacking any real effort.

Maybe Kyokushin. If there were more Mas Oyamas who got tired of what they were doing. TaeKyon, I doubt it. Because TKD has little to do with it in the first place, the karate links are stronger - I'd say it would have drifted more to that direction than any of the true Korean MA.

Yeah, I was thinking that the rationale behind the taegeuk forms would have eventually filtered down "through the ranks", so by now all the forms would have been revised away from the Japanese/Okinawan originals.

As to the Tae Kyon suggestion, I was imagining the Korean powers-that-be "discovering" Tae Kyon, and then revising modern TKD along those lines ... wishful thinking, I know... although I do remember watching a Super-8 promotional movie issued by the Kukkiwon which included some footage of an old Tae Kyon master kicking the legs out from under some young TKD black belts. That was cool.