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Enech
2/02/2006 5:12pm,
As requested by Dreadnaught:

Ok so here goes. We are all having a ball here, but Lets take the example of the double leg take down. Shown is an elbow to the back. It MIGHT work, but in my experience it is not that effective.

SO how would you deal with it?

My answers is as follows.

(a) try to side step the attack, and control the head of the attaker. Swift axe kick to the back of the knee and stomp them a few times.
(b) That fails and they get you on your back. I'd start by "distracting them" with a thumb in or near the eyes (unless they are on drugs that generally stops people from doing what they are doin). Roll them off and get to your feet fast, some form of finishing (a stomp, a kick, or a run like hell).
(c) I might also try a choke if my arms were free (not my favourite idea but if all else fails try something else).

I'm more experienced at getting out of the way or eye gouging (yeah it's not nice but neither is being attacked).

I am NOT a fan of pressure points as they don't work very well all the time!

Ok this is likely to be slammed, but hey I can cope with a cyber slam.

Aesopian
2/02/2006 5:13pm,
Reverse omoplata.

The Corrupted
2/02/2006 5:17pm,
By ripping their innards out with my bare hands and offering their severed head as sacrifice.

Enech
2/02/2006 5:19pm,
By ripping their innards out with my bare hands and offering their severed head as sacrifice.

I hope you you plan to garnish that properly? Or at least a creative plating.

HwangJangLee
2/02/2006 5:19pm,
or you can just knee them in the head as they are going for your legs, lean forward and spread your legs so its harder for them to take you down (your legs are stronger than there arms) then elbow them in the head.

hl1978
2/02/2006 5:20pm,
a couple of things

if the guy already has his arms around your legs, the most basic response would be to simply sprawl. it is certianly going to be difficult to strike as you are being taken down.

if the guy has not yet wraped his arms around your legs, then yes it is concievable you could strike, but you are going to have to drop down at the same time to actually reach the persons body if you are punching. you could try kicking, but its really hard to do. If you miss you are screwed, you only have one leg up.

you can try sidesteping or moving backwards but it doesnt work that well. try it with a friend, you will see what i mean. the guy attempting the double leg can adjust while in motion pretty easily, plus your arms can cover a wide distance.

the best way to counter a grappler is to at the very least learn the basics of grappling. plus the added benefit is that you can learn how to preform the same attacks competantly, as well as learn the defenses.

babo78
2/02/2006 5:22pm,
sprawl and guillotine.

Edit: If fail, guard.

Enech
2/02/2006 5:23pm,
or you can just knee them in the head as they are going for your legs, lean forward and spread your legs so its harder for them to take you down (your legs are stronger than there arms) then elbow them in the head.


Oops I did forget that one, though I prefer a preemtive axe kick if there is time (and I can not avoid).

I agree on the elbow. My master cheif instructor got very annoyed with people using their upper body when their legs were avaliable! Though he was ammused with "pressure points" being tired. Every one is different. He was showing a "double wrist lock" in a control and restraint class. When he put it on me it took a lot more effort as I have very flexible wrists. Though his follow up knee to the groin, chin jab simulation was not to be lauged at (his lower lip twist in the same class (for making someone get up out of a chair) worked on me however (OUCH))

Samfoo
2/02/2006 5:23pm,
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Either way this thread boils down to "HOW DO DEFEND SHOOT!!!111" and should be moved somewhere else.

Besides, everyone knows Sumi-gaeshi is the only way to defeat the invincible double-leg.

Yrkoon9
2/02/2006 5:24pm,
Chain punch.

Enech
2/02/2006 5:25pm,
a couple of things

if the guy already has his arms around your legs, the most basic response would be to simply sprawl. it is certianly going to be difficult to strike as you are being taken down.

if the guy has not yet wraped his arms around your legs, then yes it is concievable you could strike, but you are going to have to drop down at the same time to actually reach the persons body if you are punching. you could try kicking, but its really hard to do. If you miss you are screwed, you only have one leg up.

you can try sidesteping or moving backwards but it doesnt work that well. try it with a friend, you will see what i mean. the guy attempting the double leg can adjust while in motion pretty easily, plus your arms can cover a wide distance.

the best way to counter a grappler is to at the very least learn the basics of grappling. plus the added benefit is that you can learn how to preform the same attacks competantly, as well as learn the defenses.


I disagree on the sidestep, it is a timing thing (they have to have comitted and you have to be concentraiting).

I agree with most of the rest, though I always prefer to try and keep my feet. But I guess there is the "ahh ****" moment when you are ambushed/.screw up and have no other choice.

eyebeams
2/02/2006 5:25pm,
I'd ensure that my photos were better staged, and look cool by moaning "keep your hands up!" at all kinds of dumbassed pictures without benefit of any contextual clues.

Enech
2/02/2006 5:27pm,
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Either way this thread boils down to "HOW DO DEFEND SHOOT!!!111" and should be moved somewhere else.

Besides, everyone knows Sumi-gaeshi is the only way to defeat the invincible double-leg.

I am not so sure about the moving. As we are slamming someone on technique, so some might take my answer as Bullshido, or someone elses. It is IMHO the right forum, though if the moderators want to move it sure!

I am serious. I am not a Troll (usually) and curious.

Ted Deadly
2/02/2006 5:27pm,
A strong pelvic thrust to the head will knock him out, but you have to be 'ready for action', if you know what I mean!

UpaLumpa
2/02/2006 5:27pm,
This thread is fundamentally flawed because what was shown in that thread was not a double leg shot. It was a sorry excuse for a tackle. Against a proper shot Your back wouldn't be exposed like that.



(a) try to side step the attack, and control the head of the attaker. Swift axe kick to the back of the knee and stomp them a few times.Please let me know if this is a joke or not before I respond.

(b) That fails and they get you on your back. I'd start by "distracting them" with a thumb in or near the eyes (unless they are on drugs that generally stops people from doing what they are doin). Roll them off and get to your feet fast, some form of finishing (a stomp, a kick, or a run like hell).Again please let us know if this is a joke if you want a response.


(c) I might also try a choke if my arms were free (not my favourite idea but if all else fails try something else). SO the single most successful strategy of getting a submission against a shot is your last resort?
That makes sense.


I'm more experienced at getting out of the way or eye gouging (yeah it's not nice but neither is being attacked).A double leg shot is executed from close range. You don't side step it. Are you still joking?
And you have experience eye gouging? Do you have police reports to validate this? I'm sure any incidence of actual eyegouging is going to have involved injury and the police.


I am NOT a fan of pressure points as they don't work very well all the time!So you're only partially delusional?

UpaLumpa
2/02/2006 5:29pm,
Okay. Since you've said you are being serious I'll answer serious:
None of what you mentioned (except maybe the choke) works.