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Truculent Sheep
1/18/2006 8:00pm,
Forget Matt Furey and his 'wanking gibbon' method of PT. Be a Dinosaur instead! (Truly beyond parody.)

http://www.brookskubik.com/dinosaur_bodyweight_training.html

Phrost
1/18/2006 8:11pm,
At least post a quoted selection from there. We frown on new threads with minimal content around here.

Mor Sao
1/18/2006 8:14pm,
Dinosaur training has been around for a few years. Brooks Kubik the man behind that plan is strong like an ox and not into the fads but pretty much into old time get strong and lift more.


Nothing wrong with that regime at all.

Not a big fan of furey. But hey its a free business world.

What are you not into, the marketing or are you some pansy who is not into HARD training to get stronger and better at something.

As that is what way too many people are into, total denial about the reality of training for anything.

Cormoran
1/18/2006 10:54pm,
Brooks Kubik the man behind that plan is strong like an ox

shouldn't he be strong like a dinosaur?

sorry, couldn't help myself!

I think the OP is just talking about it being called 'dinosaur bodyweight training' I read that and instantly a picture of barney the dinosaur doing a workout video comes to mind. The training might be sound, i don't know, i was too busy giggling at the name to look.

Truculent Sheep
1/18/2006 11:20pm,
At least post a quoted selection from there. We frown on new threads with minimal content around here.

I thought it would be self-explanatory. Never mind...

MEGALEF
1/19/2006 3:18am,
I don't think he means "dinosaur training" in the way that you invoke hidden dinosaur spirits. Furey wants us to think we all have an inner ape we can bring out by exercising in a certain way.

brew
1/19/2006 3:32am,
Dinosaur training has been around for a few years. Brooks Kubik the man behind that plan is strong like an ox and not into the fads but pretty much into old time get strong and lift more.


Nothing wrong with that regime at all.

Not a big fan of furey. But hey its a free business world.

What are you not into, the marketing or are you some pansy who is not into HARD training to get stronger and better at something.

As that is what way too many people are into, total denial about the reality of training for anything.sounds good until you look at the $197-$697 price range.

i have to agree though...it's a free country.

MEGALEF
1/19/2006 3:35am,
Koto_Ryu trains a lot by that book, I think.

Lucky Seven
1/19/2006 5:37am,
A SIMPLE TEST
If you don't believe me, here's a simple test. You can do it at home.

Take two lengths of ordinary rope 1/2 of an inch thick, and tie them securely to your chinning bar, so that they hang down like miniature climbing ropes. (Note: a rope that is 1/2" thick is approximately the size of a medium sized pen or highlighter.)

Now, chalk your hands very carefully and thoroughly, and then grab onto each rope, holding one in your left hand and one in your right hand. Don't double the ropes, don't loop them, don't do anything to make it easier to hold onto them. Hold them exactly the same as if you were hanging from two regular sized climbing ropes.

IF you can hold on, and very few people can, hang motionless with your arms fully extended.

Then do a pull-up.

Can you do it?

I can.

In fact, I can hang from two 1/2 inch diameter ropes and knock off set after set of pull-ups. Brooks Kubik pullups
Brooks Kubik doing pullups from two 1/2-inch diameter ropes.

And remember, I'm 48.

What's even more remarkable, I couldn't do thin rope pull-ups when I was a high school wrestling champion. I couldn't do them when I was winning national championships and setting National, American and world age group records in the bench press. I couldn't do them when I was tossing 300 pound barbells and 150 pound dumbbells overhead, and I couldn't do it when I was pulling 435 pounds in the one hand deadlift. But I can do it now.

I can do other things I never dreamed of doing when I was younger -- including things I've never seen anyone else do or even attempt to do.


heh this part made me laugh, if he couldnt do it when he was a higschool wrestling champion then I can only imagine the rest of the wrestlers....

After reading it, there is really nothing too wrong with this, besides the fact of claiming it is the best thing ever invented, but what the heck maybe it is

Chance
1/19/2006 6:33am,
Being able to do body weight exercises is always an entertaining way to embarrass people who train weights just for appearance. Once again it depends what you train for, being more in control of my own bodyweight is what I want. Health For Life's "The Weightless Workout" by Jerry Robinson probably covers some of the same info fro less money. If you want to see some really impressive old style training pics check out "Remembering Muscle Beach" by Harold Zinkin.

I just went and tried that rope thing in the garage with a 1/2" diameter rope, I didn't bother with the chalk, but I couldn't do it...damn. I might work on it, I could do with getting tendonitus again.

Darkpaladin
1/19/2006 9:21am,
"Brooks Kubik demonstrating one of his unique bodyweight exercises."

It's a pushup.....

"AGE IS NO OBSTACLE
Dinosaur Bodyweight Training will work for anyone, of any age. "

****, it is for dinosaurs, those guys are 100 bagillion years old!

Lucky Seven
1/19/2006 9:29am,
only 25 million or so actually

DubhGhaill
1/19/2006 2:18pm,
The hype for the new bodyweight book is really tacky. If you go to the main site you'll find Kubic is generally pretty sensible and down-to-earth.
Here's an example...

What Really Works

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A few days ago the local paper ran an article titled, "What Works: Local Fitness 'Insiders' Reveal Brands, Products They Use." The answers were 100% fitness oriented, and included shampoos, TWO different kinds of moisturizers, a mouth rinse and sheer support pantyhose.

Not much of interest to a serious lifter, but it got me to thinking. What really works when it comes to building strength, power and muscle?

I thought a top 10 list might be interesting. Here's my list --- see how it compares to yours:

(1) Barbells

(2) Hard work

(3) Heavy weights

(4) Squats

(5) Olympic lifting

(6) 5 x 5

(7) Abbreviated training

(8) Heavy singles

(9) Multiple sets of low reps

(10) Hard work (yeah, I know it's already on the list, but if the local paper can include two kinds of moisturizer in THEIR list, I can include "hard work" twice in MY list!)
http://brookskubik.com/index.html

Chance
1/19/2006 4:30pm,
I just managed that rope pull up about 1/2 an hour ago, I used the same set up as before 1/2" diameter rope, but I found my chalk ball and used A LOT of chalk. I managed the pull up twice, single rep (not very clean) with a rest inbetween but I still managed to rope burn my right hand from a slight slip. I used a marine rope which is heavily braided (I think four strands are braided into one) and easier to grip, if anyone else gives it a go it is really important to chalk your index fingers the most. I wouldn't even try it with a smooth nylon rope though, the rope burn from a slip would be really bad. I'm not sure what doing the move proves though something to remember to embarrass a cosmetic weight trainer that claims he's stronger than me. I've always trained body weight exercises where possible and I think it's really impressive that Kubic can do it, he looks a lot heavier than me.

Truculent Sheep
1/19/2006 9:38pm,
I don't think he means "dinosaur training" in the way that you invoke hidden dinosaur spirits. Furey wants us to think we all have an inner ape we can bring out by exercising in a certain way.

Indeed - it's the absurdity of the hype that's Bullshido. Bodyweight exercises do work, and it's a shame they're not sold on their own merits alone, but with a truckload of hyperbole.

Doctor Shaft
1/19/2006 10:30pm,
Indeed - it's the absurdity of the hype that's Bullshido. Bodyweight exercises do work, and it's a shame they're not sold on their own merits alone, but with a truckload of hyperbole.


Eh, personally, I think we should probably lay off the naming schemes and such. Not to rail against you or anything, and I agree that "Dinosaur Power" is just one obnoxious, silly name, but so are half the names we give martial arts and martial art schools in this world.

It's not really "Bullshido" so long as it's just a regular ole physical regimen that works. I'd imagine, like the primate power, that you do get stronger, so long as you're not actually emulating strength training exercises for animals (since despite whatever similar appearance we might have with an ape, we don't have the same motor functions).

I'll agree, Furey is way over the top with his campaigning. I guess he also goes for the "Bodyweight training greater than weight-lifting" which I would disagree with, but at the same I wouldn't discount bodyweight training at all. It has its uses. But that's the nature of the beast. If your'e selling something, you gotta sell hard.