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Vik
11/10/2005 10:33am,
I'm a junior now and I only have a year till graduation. I have to go to India (my home country) for Medical college. Now let me tell you something about these kind of colleges. They are crazy as ****. I don't know personally what the bullies do, but there are people I know who go to the college that have told me they have some serious hazing.

I've heard stories of people getting ragged, getting beat up, humiliated, intimidated, etc. Also they beat the **** out of your car. There was this small dude who got jumped so bad he was left with scars, bruises, and his eyes were hit in deeper than they were before. That was just one example my cousin told me (she goes to the college). She told me if you're a guy you'll have some problems there.


Now I really don't have a choice, I have to go to this college and there's no doubt there will be confrontations with these so called 'bullies.' I don't know how much to believe about them. Knowing India, there's no way I can think of a bunch of Indian dudes beating up people. But hey, this is college.

Now about me. I've never had problems with bullies. When I was in the seventh grade there were a few people who mess with me, but I just smile and joke around. Every bully I have ends up as my friend. But I'm simply not the person who will get jumped and just stand there. When I get mad, I go crazy. I don't care how many people there are against me, I won't take it. I'm not a small guy either and people never mess with me. I train a lot and people know that. And that's the problem with these bullies at the college. They are seniors who simply torture new freshmen. They tell you, if you don't fight back, they won't beat you up again. Like some sort of initiation.

Now I know how to fight and I'm not the kind of person who will comply with that bullshit. I'm sort of looking forward to beating them all up (which is unlikely). I have a lot of confidence in dealing with them. If you always fight back and hurt them more than they hurt you, what's the point? I want to make an example to the school that they don't have to take it. It's just a bunch of cowards who just have to beat on a smaller guy together to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Now what should I do? Should I fight back if they come first? If I fight back I might be making some serious enemies and a a few years of grudges. Beating up will turn into beating up your car, sabotage, destroying your stuff, hurting your friends,etc. But I know they aren't going to get me to do anything without a fight. I don't have to worry about snitches or the cops either. In India, the cops are for sale. And my father has some huge influence (he could've been the president of India if he hadn't immigrated to America). I also know a lot of people at the college already and some others who are coming with me. People know I have lots of training in martial arts and they know my background - I don't have to worry about respect. There are always a lot of friends I hang with, who have also had training. But the question is, will that stop bullies?

Now I'm not scared at all. In fact, I'm looking forward to use my training for practical applications. It's just the long run I'm worried about. Reputation, safety of others, education, etc. I'm not looking for a fight and won't start it. But if they approach me I'll be prepared to defend myself. I won't go to extremes unless I have to. And if I see my friends or some stranger getting ganged up, I won't hesitate to intervene. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a violent person unless I have to prove to them they can't push people around.

Should I stand up for myself and fight back, or just get beat up the first time to get it over with? I really want to just beat the **** out of those bullies :new_2guns I'm stuck in the college for four years. Whatever I choose to do, I better not regret.

Shuma-Gorath
11/10/2005 10:35am,
What the hell kind of medical college has a student body of fratboy hooligans?

WhiteShark
11/10/2005 10:38am,
With bullies that aren't actually out to rob or kill you respect is usually the game they are playing. Letting them walk all over you will only encourage more bullying. I say calmly wait for the confrontation AKA don't seek it out or press the issue. Then when it comes stand your ground and protect yourself without elevating the severity (don't pull a knife) They will typically respect your response and it will be over.

Vik
11/10/2005 10:41am,
The college I'm going to is an NRI college (Non-Residential Indians). So all the Indian kids from America come here. But Indian citizens also attend the school. The problem is, the citizen Indian guys think we (Indian-Americans) are all snobby, bitchy, think we're all that, etc. So they just want to make our life a living hell.

It's not just the non-residential Indians either, it's everyone. In America, these 'bullies' would get their asses handed to them the moment they try to start something. But when they come back to India they come thinking they can't be stopped, you know what I mean? Indians tend to be stereotypical nerds, weaklings, overweight, and all that. When these guys come back to India they think they can push anyone around whenever they want.

And this isn't exactly a place supervised by adults. This place is polluted, dirty, everything and everybody can be bribed. The police don't care what happens and the teachers sometimes bully students themselves. This is not good old America.
India is a fucked up place, man.

Shuma-Gorath
11/10/2005 10:53am,
Import a large number of chavs from England and let the two species of retard annihilate each other. I'd suggest using a 2-to-1 chav-bully ratio since the chavs generally won't hang around college campuses for long and will starve and die without government handouts so you will need to replenish their numbers.

JohnnyCache
11/10/2005 11:19am,
Dude. Why are you going to HS in america and medschool in india? Aren't you supposed to go the other way around?

I don't know what to tell you, I was unhazable in college. The first time a frat guy told me to get him a beer or I was done rushing I was like, "well then I'm done rushing because I don't want to be in a frat for ***** waiters" and he got up and I was like, "the other guys are in the room, dude, if you want to kiss and screw call me later" and everyone laughed at HIM.

But I didn't join.

I really don't know what to tell you. It seems like india's middle and upper class have some issues with stuff like this. I'd feel bad if I told you "beat the first guy's ass" and you did and got expelled.

It sounds to me like you don't want to go there at all, and not just because of this.

lawdog
11/10/2005 11:24am,
Vik, this alleged dilema of yours is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard of, on several levels.

Vik
11/10/2005 11:27am,
Yeah I didn't want to go to Med school in India. But the problem is that in America med school is highly competitive and there's a chance you won't get accepted after undergraduate college. That and you waste four years of time and money.

India is a different story though. You go directly to graduate med school and it's a guaranteed seat. My dad doesn't want to take a chance in America so he's sending me there.

And Osiris, I never said I was worried about getting beat up. And I said several times I will not hesitate to beat the **** out of anyone who tries to mess with me or my friends.

Mr. Mantis
11/10/2005 11:34am,
Join the "thuggies" Change your name to "Ali" and wash your hands with their blood.

What's the big deal?

Yrkoon9
11/10/2005 11:36am,
Punch first and keep punching. It's a generic rule I tend to live by. There is a moment of no turning back. Be sure you can recognize that moment and respond accordingly. Or you can lay down and punk out. Maybe they won't hurt you real bad or permanently.

Keep in mind, the guys doing the hazing were ones that were hazed. They are acting out thier own frustration of NOT punching first. They layed down and punked out. Now they want to get thier revenge through an outlet: YOU. Deep down in thier hearts they are still punked out little cowards who layed down the first time. They will lay down a second time. Just make sure you are the one who lays them down.

The Limey
11/10/2005 11:53am,
It's the med school thing that worries me the most.

Yeah, in America there is a chance you won't get in. Same here in Canada. If you're not smart enough you don't get in. I hope I never go to India and get sick....I won't know if the doctor got in because of his brain or Daddy's fat wallet.

And then these people come back to the west and have the nerve to complain because we won't recognize their "qualifications"?

My advice, stay in the states and if you don't get into med school suck it up and try again or accept that you're not smart enough and find a new career path.

I think we'd all like that given that our other option is to have a second rate doctor running around India giving out the wrong meds.

Pay me enough and I'll make you a black belt.
Pay me enough and I'll make you a doctor.

Can you say McMed School?

warnerj5000
11/10/2005 11:57am,
WHen I first saw this thread I assumed it was going to be posted by the parent of some kid who is getting bullied. Bullies in college? what the hell? Most people got over the bullying in middle school or high school.
Actually I think most bullies from middle and high school ended up not going to college, since they're usually too busy being in jail.

So anyway, back on the topic... so you can pretty much do whatever you want to these fools and not get in trouble. So **** their **** up. If they come back at you, **** them up worse next time.

Continue this pattern until they either pick an easier target, or the dean of your school gets pushed into a swimming pool.

Castel
11/10/2005 12:00pm,
Bullying is so 80's.
Just do your best to keep away from them, im sure eventually this whole middleschool bully **** will drop or fade from their minds.

Shuma-Gorath
11/10/2005 12:05pm,
It's the med school thing that worries me the most.

Yeah, in America there is a chance you won't get in. Same here in Canada. If you're not smart enough you don't get in. I hope I never go to India and get sick....I won't know if the doctor got in because of his brain or Daddy's fat wallet.

And then these people come back to the west and have the nerve to complain because we won't recognize their "qualifications"?

My advice, stay in the states and if you don't get into med school suck it up and try again or accept that you're not smart enough and find a new career path.

I think we'd all like that given that our other option is to have a second rate doctor running around India giving out the wrong meds.

Pay me enough and I'll make you a black belt.
Pay me enough and I'll make you a doctor.

Can you say McMed School?

And yet Indian doctors are in demand worldwide and Indian hospitals are practically hotels. Having seen it on television I know it to be true.

patfromlogan
11/10/2005 12:26pm,
At Utah State they used to do this hazing ****. It ended when the vets came back from WW2. One ex-Ranger was told to wear the beanie and recite the pledge or whatever and told the seniors to **** themselves. A bunch of seniors jumped him and he beat the **** out of them. End of hazing.

So, train hard and **** 'em up (you might see if any other n00bs aren't pansies in order to change the system of abuse).

TonyM
11/10/2005 12:34pm,
Patfromlogan has caught the correct. Perhaps you can create your own clients as well.