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DinosaurKnight
10/01/2005 7:51pm,
Dragonfly Security (http://www.dragonflysecurity.com).

More specifically,

The "About us" section (http://www.dragonflysecurity.com/aboutus.htm).

In particular,


Dragonfly Protection Services was started in 2002. Our goal is to provide the best possible self-defense and security services.

We know there are many companies/organizations out there that claim to provide the ultimate self-defense and security services. We don't pay too much attention to them because we know that they cannot compete with what we have to offer: Over 35 years of combined experience in verifiably one of two of the most effective fighting systems, the art of Ninjutsu. There is no other company in Minnesota that can justly claim the same level of experience we have to offer.

Why Ninjutsu? Remember, we said it is "verifiably" one of two of the most effective fighting systems. Evidence of that is that it is taught to spec op units (the other being Krav Maga). Elite forces such as the NAVY SEALs, British SAS, Israeli Defense Forces, and others are trained in this art. As such it is the real thing! It is designed for survival.
Ninjutsu and Krav Maga are the two most effective fighting systems? Oh noes! To think of all the countless hours I've wasted on this useless muay Thai and grappling crap!

Neildo
10/01/2005 8:11pm,
*gasp*! t3h d34dly

yo, what's FMA?

DinosaurKnight
10/01/2005 8:16pm,
yo, what's FMA?
Filipino martial arts. I consider it secondary (or, at best, supplimental) to MT and BJJ, but it's fun to play with rattan sticks.

Neildo
10/01/2005 8:24pm,
That's what I though, just wanted to clarify.

I call it Arnis so I don't need to explain it to anyone.

Letum
10/01/2005 9:10pm,
I've never understood why the many idiots out there would take military endorsement (though I am not saying the claims they've given in the OP's quote are legit) as a sense of effective fighting?

Personally, all of the military guys I've sparred with I've beaten down, and also from what I've gathered, they're adding alot of BJJ to their curriculum now, with the idea that if you're down you can hold the guy in position whilst one of your buddies shoots him or whatever.

Also, alot of the military guys here Box also.

TehDeadlyDimMak
10/01/2005 9:29pm,
Most people imagine Navy Seals running about karate chopping Charlie into submission.

hapkido_keith
10/01/2005 10:27pm,
Most people imagine Navy Seals running about karate chopping Charlie into submission.
"Charlie" is so 1960's. They're called "Tango" now I believe.

Poncho
10/01/2005 10:46pm,
My father is a Police officer, any they all learned about 3 weeks of Krav maga.

My dad who is no Martial artists seems to like the weapon disarms in Krav maga.

Ive often wondered how well KM works, anyone know much about it?

DinosaurKnight
10/01/2005 10:59pm,
Ive often wondered how well KM works, anyone know much about it?
I did it for a few months during my transition period from TMA to MMA. Maybe I just had a bad instructor (cool guy, though), but I though it was ****. The classes lacked any inkling of focus and organization. The striking and grappling way okay, but it was more or less "MMA light" -- Pretty much a watered-down version of the stuff I do now. The self defense training was ridiculous -- choreographed "use response B to attack A" type stuff that you'd never actually get to work in a real fight.

I didn't stay with it long enough to get into disarms... And quite frankly, I'm glad I didn't.

Spunky
10/02/2005 4:06am,
I don't know who wrote that little gem, but I'll talk to them about making some adjustments in their marketing design.

Xeo
10/02/2005 4:33am,
Elite forces such as the NAVY SEALs, British SAS, Israeli Defense Forces

I can see the IDF learning Krav Maga, but the SAS, for one, does not learn Krav Maga, and definitly not Ninjutsu...

Spunky
10/02/2005 5:07am,
Whom you've developed strong correspondence with over the last 17 years of your entire life?

Xeo
10/02/2005 5:12am,
Whom you've developed strong correspondence with over the last 17 years of your entire life?

hahah, good point. However, I am very interested in joining the Royal Marines, which is a pretty common route to entrance into the SAS...

I also have a huge range of books about the SAS, and can find no information regarding their Krav Maga, or Ninjutsu instruction. It seems more likely they are taught only a very basic knowlege of unarmed combat, the SAS in particular have developed a specialist short range defense utilising their pistols, or handguns.

Besides, isn't the burden of proof resting on those that make the claim?

Xeo
10/02/2005 5:16am,
I can say 'definitly' not Ninjutsu, as (i'm sure you would agree) Bujinkan instruction generally has to go on for a long time to gain in skill. I'm going say maybe they have, what, 3 weeks at the very most dedicated to unarmed combat, Taijutsu while very effective and suitable when used correctly, isn't an ideal choice.

Edit: However, I could be obviously be wrong... it just seems highly unlikely.

Spunky
10/02/2005 5:28am,
Absolutely, just responding to the assumption that no SAS would train in these systems, when in reality there are doubtless many special forces members who train in a number of systems including taijutsu and KM, some of whom can fight and some of whom can't. Like I said, I think its unfortunate to see the ploy used where just because the SAS had a guest instructor from the art, suddenly its a pseudo-legitimate endorsement.

I'm really not at all qualified to be making assumptions of the training regimes of the world's special forces, but there are isolated bits and pieces of taijutsu which are directly applicable and easily streamlined for quick training. As an Army officer, Jeff Prather developed a close quarters combatives supplementary for U.S. forces based on Bujinkan tech--I've seen the video for it and consider it far better than most anything else I know of, which isn't saying much. But you see stuff like that coming from all kinds of sources.

plasmagoat
10/02/2005 2:18pm,
My father is a Police officer, any they all learned about 3 weeks of Krav maga.

My dad who is no Martial artists seems to like the weapon disarms in Krav maga.

Ive often wondered how well KM works, anyone know much about it?
Seems like a practical system in my experience. Of course there's always someone who says "it would never really work" but everyone always says that about every system in existence, excluding their own. All knife/gun defenses in the universe are futile bullshido suicide, except that one "street effective" system that someone perfected while doing 20 years in prison after serving 10 years in the special secret ninja commando forces. If you don't believe me, read these testimonials and then buy the video!