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SPJ
7/10/2005 4:19pm,
This is an interesting trend.

Lao Jia in 48 h (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35742)

Comments?

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Method2Madness
7/10/2005 4:27pm,
so your learning the entire form in 48 hours? Well im not a kung fu expert but doesnt take a large portion of time to learn a technique and use it properly?

Wounded Ronin
7/10/2005 4:44pm,
Learning a form dosen't necessarily mean learning how to use it. It might just mean memorizing the kata and doing it passably.

feedback
7/10/2005 4:47pm,
whoever posted that message should take his white non-chinese speaking ass and jump off a cliff. One hand clapping ************.

Shadowdh
7/11/2005 4:09am,
Bless you Feedback... I posted a comment on that error but in MAP terminology (ie no swearing)...

Personally I dont think its possible and it will be mctaiji... its catering to the stoopid...

liokault
7/11/2005 7:16am,
The sad thing is, if you learn tai chi in 48 hours or 48 years, your total ability to fight will be then same in 99% of cases, as will your health benafits.

Shadowdh
7/11/2005 7:59am,
While I agree that most schools dont teach the fighting aspects, the health benefits will be pretty good over time... so they cannot be lumped with fighting ability...

liokault
7/11/2005 11:43am,
I think more people get a benafit from walking up the stairs to there class than they do in the class.

Shadowdh
7/12/2005 5:53am,
I think more people get a benafit from walking up the stairs to there class than they do in the class.


LOL... you may be right... :lol:

new2bjj
7/12/2005 8:20pm,
This is going to annoy some people that take this **** way to seriously, but I will go on. There is a dance class with 13 year old girls doing moves much more sophisticated then Chen Style, so as far as learingin the exterior movements, they could do it in a few classes, no problem. I was at Chen style class for a short time, and the instructor admitted that ballet and jazz dancers picked the routine up quick, I mean quick. Now, i'll bet that half the people that do martial arts, (only half, myself included) might find this all very challenging, but for someone talented at movement, it might be a breeze. But you would have the scary chi power.....

DanDavis
7/13/2005 11:12am,
If one spent two hours a day for 24 days, they probably COULD learn a complete tai chi form.

liokault
7/13/2005 4:04pm,
If one spent two hours a day for 24 days, they probably COULD learn a complete tai chi form.


Hmmm, well....


It took me over a year to finish learning the form. Thats being shown a bit, having a few reps to try to remember it, then practicing by my self.

Ok one year 52 weeks (say 47 as I would have been away for a few and we dont train over christmas) x3 classes a week = 156 times I was shown a bit of form.

Now, the form bit of class takes about 20 mins so 156x20/60= 52 hours.

Not far off, and if you did it all in bigger hits you would remember it better.

new2bjj
7/13/2005 4:38pm,
Also, if you drop the application part of the class, etc, as they do in competitive Wu Shu, you see people doing forms lightening fast etc, with in a year or two. They don't know if there is a practical application or why etc, but it looks great.

Shadowdh
7/14/2005 8:39am,
It took me 10 months to learn the Lao Jia 1st frame... thats pretty much everyday practice... (except xmas day)... I would learn a movement or two or three a week and practice till right... then move on to the next one... tbh I still am learning... (only been about a year now...)...

DanDavis
7/14/2005 6:25pm,
Hmmm, well....


It took me over a year to finish learning the form. Thats being shown a bit, having a few reps to try to remember it, then practicing by my self.

Ok one year 52 weeks (say 47 as I would have been away for a few and we dont train over christmas) x3 classes a week = 156 times I was shown a bit of form.

Now, the form bit of class takes about 20 mins so 156x20/60= 52 hours.

Not far off, and if you did it all in bigger hits you would remember it better.

There are many factors that can play a role in how long one takes to learn a form: 1.) How experienced/inexperienced they already are in other tai chi forms, 2.) How good of a teacher they have, 3.) The difficulty of the form, 4.) How closely you're paying attention.

I learned three forms within a matter of a few months. I attended a seminar conducted by Yong Min Bai, where he was reviewing the first half and teaching the second half of a 42-step combination form. At the end of the seminar he gave away copies of a demonstration of the form on VHS. Another form I learned within those months was a tai chi broadsword form taught by Daniel Lee on VHS. While that form is shorter than Bai's form, it was more difficult to learn because - frankly - Lee isn't that good of a teacher. The third - and final form - I learned was a competition Wu style form taught by Jiang Jianye on VHS. I'd highly recommend his tapes to any tai chi fan. They're amazingly well produced.

I'm sure you're wondering how well I mastered these forms, seeing how I didn't have a sifu around to give me feedback. I already had (Yang style) tai chi experience before studying these forms. I also practiced in front of mirrors and went to a tai chi class to see if there were any techniques I needed to polish up. Yes, there were a few. But after about 4 months of serious studying and rehearsal, I was able to perform those forms at an international tournament and win a bronze medal for the open form and silver for the broadsword form. I probably invested more than 48 hours of practice per form, but not by much.

I know Chen style has a lot more direction changes than other forms, and I'm not familiar with the other style that you're having difficulty with, but it IS possible to learn some forms within 48 hours. There are much easier forms than the ones I've mentioned that would probably take even less time than that.

SPJ
7/14/2005 10:33pm,
I have a very bad cold last couple of weeks.

But I am getting better now.

If you can pick up something or anything in 48 hours, wouldn't it take you more time to digest, absorb and perfect?

There are 3 phases of Chen Tai Chi:

1. Zuo Su or familiarization. The drilling of each moves or several moves in a sequence. Gaining proficiency over time.

2. Leng Dong or comprehension. Once you learn and know the moves, you start to learn all the in and out, apps, tactics and strategy etc.

3. Shen Ming or mastering. The arts become part of you. Or You become the MA itself.

Patient is a virtue. You take the time for as long as it needs to. 48 hours or many and many 48 hours.

The thing is that even if you are skillful, you still have to practice daily.

If you stop practicing, the skills will slip away.

So 48 hours become 48 days, 48 days become---

OH, I stopped counting since ---

:sleepy3: