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Year Zero
7/01/2005 4:49pm,
Just a suggestion. I don't have a lot of experience in Martial Arts, so it was a rude awakening when I started looking for a Dojo I was shocked to see that it seems to be a popular practice to claim classes on numerous arts(e.g. Jujitsu, Karate, Kickboxing, Judo, etc.), WITHOUT EVEN ACTUALLY HAVING CLASSES IN THOSE ARTS!!! :angry1: For example, their flyer claims they teach Jujitsu, and then you find out that the really just teach a little bit of grappling in their Karate program. In my case I went to a Dojo that claimed to teach Judo among other martial arts, and found out that they have no Judo class whatsoever. Now in this particular case, the program they did teach WAS legit and the instructors do have serious credentials, so that particular dojo is by no means what you would call a McDojo. Yet the fact remains that I was attracted there by the flyer's claim of JU-DO. Now obviously I am sure that a lot of REAL McDojos probably engage in this practice for obvious reasons. I joked to a friend of mine about starting a "dojo" that only teaches boxing, yet on the window and the flyers it would say:

Western Boxing
Thai Boxing
Burmese Boxing
Cambodian Boxing- The REAL Fighting system of the Khmer Rouge!
Russian Cosmonaut Spetznaz Systema
Ninjitsu - Cut a Bunch of people and then watch them fall apart in unison
Hindu Scimitar fighting
Egg Foo Yung
Kim Chong Il
Ho Chi Minh
Jihadjitsu - REAL fighting system of Al Qaeda suicide bombers!!!
Lightsabre fighting
AND MUCH, MUCH MORE...


And of course the dumb parents would sign their kids up and they would all end up in my "boxing class", which actually consists of them standing around looking confused while I manuever around the dojo shooting them with Nerf guns.

Animosimony
7/01/2005 4:55pm,
You really need to get off of the methamphetamines.

Year Zero
7/01/2005 4:58pm,
Hey it is a credit to my sense of patience that I can keep a sense of humor out of wasting time and money.

Fantasy Warrior
7/01/2005 5:22pm,
Yeah, I've seen that, even amongst 'good' clubs.

Wounded Ronin
7/01/2005 6:47pm,
Heh, jujitsu = krotty locks. That's hysterical.

TehDeadlyDimMak
7/01/2005 7:34pm,
You've kindled my interest in Hindu Scimitar Fighting.

Hannibal
7/01/2005 9:39pm,
Year Zero.

I would confront your instructor. Tell him you don't want to be mucking around with kids - you want serious training and lots of sparring. If your instrcutor cannot giveyou that I would look for another martial arts dojo.

I dunno about you but I only have a limited amount of time for training during the week and I don't like wasting it with half-assed classes.

CanucKyokushin
7/01/2005 10:20pm,
Yo!Excuse me.Is this school your ONLY option to join in your area?

Can you not look around a little bit more.Drive around slowly the next time your in a strip mall.You may be surprised to find schools.I just discoverd a Shotokan Dojo in a basement.The reason why i never noticed them before was because they share the same fromt entrance as a Caribean social group.

So if you aren't satisfied ,why bother complaining at all.

JKDChick
7/01/2005 11:19pm,
Just a suggestion. I don't have a lot of experience in Martial Arts, so it was a rude awakening when I started looking for a Dojo I was shocked to see that it seems to be a popular practice to claim classes on numerous arts(e.g. Jujitsu, Karate, Kickboxing, Judo, etc.), WITHOUT EVEN ACTUALLY HAVING CLASSES IN THOSE ARTS!!! :angry1: For example, their flyer claims they teach Jujitsu, and then you find out that the really just teach a little bit of grappling in their Karate program. In my case I went to a Dojo that claimed to teach Judo among other martial arts, and found out that they have no Judo class whatsoever. Now in this particular case, the program they did teach WAS legit and the instructors do have serious credentials, so that particular dojo is by no means what you would call a McDojo. Yet the fact remains that I was attracted there by the flyer's claim of JU-DO. Now obviously I am sure that a lot of REAL McDojos probably engage in this practice for obvious reasons. I joked to a friend of mine about starting a "dojo" that only teaches boxing, yet on the window and the flyers it would say:

Western Boxing
Thai Boxing
Burmese Boxing
Cambodian Boxing- The REAL Fighting system of the Khmer Rouge!
Russian Cosmonaut Spetznaz Systema
Ninjitsu - Cut a Bunch of people and then watch them fall apart in unison
Hindu Scimitar fighting
Egg Foo Yung
Kim Chong Il
Ho Chi Minh
Jihadjitsu - REAL fighting system of Al Qaeda suicide bombers!!!
Lightsabre fighting
AND MUCH, MUCH MORE...


And of course the dumb parents would sign their kids up and they would all end up in my "boxing class", which actually consists of them standing around looking confused while I manuever around the dojo shooting them with Nerf guns.

This is a great post. Be welcome here.

Poop Loops
7/02/2005 1:56am,
I've never really seen that happen. Well, I've never really looked around much for MA.

I guess when I signed up for Temple Kung Fu, they lied to me about teaching Kung Fu.

PL

Year Zero
7/02/2005 3:04am,
Year Zero.

I would confront your instructor. Tell him you don't want to be mucking around with kids - you want serious training and lots of sparring. If your instrcutor cannot giveyou that I would look for another martial arts dojo.

I dunno about you but I only have a limited amount of time for training during the week and I don't like wasting it with half-assed classes.


Well the particular instructor I went to actually has Jujitsu and real qualifications, it's just that I was looking for Judo training because I wanted a balance in groundfighting(which I already had some experience in) and stand-up grappling(which I have very little). However, I have heard of similar issues at many other schools around here, schools that probably don't have nearly the same level of credibility.

Given my work schedule, I had to leave anyway(though I did learn some vital way to improve my techniques there), but if I ever find time for MA again, I am going to make sure the place actually has CLASSES for the art I am looking for.

For an example of what I am NOT working for: I was approached one day by a fellow in a Chinese sleeveless gi while walking through the parking lot of a trendy commercial section of town. He hands me a flyer for a Kung Fu dojo(this was when I was first looking for a school). Obviously I have no interest in Kung Fu but I figure maybe they teach some practical art at the school so I ask him what all they have there. He rattles of a list of various "styles" of Kung Fu, mostly named after animals.


No...we're not doing any of THAT, thank you very much.



BTW, this is an excellent forum and I hope that it starts a trend that will eventually conquer all forms of Bullshido in MA world.

Hannibal
7/02/2005 3:20am,
Well all I can say is good luck in finding somewhere suitable.

It's hard to judge a class based on one training session. So before you decide to join and fork out any money I would just go and watch 2 classes first. Just sit down and watch. If you like what you see - go back a thord time.Then ask if you can try out a lesson. 3 classes should give you an idea of how they train.

Based on that you should be able to decide if the place is worth it.

777
7/02/2005 1:35pm,
it sounds like one of those sales gimmick and u cant really fault them becos they do teach 1 or 2 things that comes from karate.

god, i dispeise clubs who intentionally resorts to sales gimmicks (aka liars).
Otherwise, it's probably the fault of those 'professional' advertising agents.

feedback
7/02/2005 1:59pm,
Yeah, I've seen that, even amongst 'good' clubs.

Yeah, I was going to say that one of my old gyms did that, and they were definately not a bad school.

new2bjj
7/02/2005 2:05pm,
That whole. "Tae Kwon do, Judo, Kendo, Kickboxing" etc has been around since the early 70's, and some of the time the instructor has racks in all of them. Realistically, There is not that much space in most dojo's to teach more than two arts. You can even find go classses at a YMCA or a community college. We had a wrestling coach that taught judo, and he was a real bad ass.

Kokujin
7/02/2005 9:55pm,
There's a really famous gym near me and everyone that passes on the main door can see a HUGE YELLOW SIGN with all of the martial arts systems being taugh there...from shotokan Karate, to white crane kung fu, from wing chun to muay thai, you name it and they probably got it. well, the problems is that every and mean every single one of those arts is being taught by the same guy, which smells like bullshido at first...and then goes on to reek of bullshido when there's some anoying and persisten rumors that eight of the ten arts he's teaching he learned from videos and books...and since I visited the gym a couple of times and watched him teaching karate kicks as muay thai ones...well. it just seems like no matter the size of the country...there's always the chance for some sweet bullshido!