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torrefaction
6/22/2005 5:15pm,
Greets everyone,
I should just come out and say now that I'm not experienced in any martial art per say. I've done some straight up self-defense training (which, thankfully, worked very well when I needed it.), but not nearly to the extent I would like, and I really would like to get serious about training. So...Here's my dilemna.

I'm looking for a school in Fort Lauderdale. Hapkido interests me, and seems like a pretty effective art. One of the things I'm looking for here, are some experienced opinions on this. I found one school, that seems to be excellent, and possibly bullshido, at the same time. The school is Hapkiyoosool, and the instructor is Jeff Allen. I've seen some pretty wild threads on here in regards to this, and I by NO means want to start up another crazy thread. If you've been to his school, trained with him, sparred with him, or been to a seminar, please give me your opinion.

By no means am I limiting my options to Hapkido, but the broad nature of the training seems like a good base martial art to learn. I'm also considering Muay Thai or Judo. Both I would take at American Top Team. I initially took a few classes there, but stopped for a long while due to a chest injury I got at a concert.

So basically, what form do you guys recommend? What are your opinions on Hapkido? I'm a fairly tall, skinnier person (6'2", 165 lbs) Is there any particular form I'd be more/less well suited to?

Thanks for any advice you guys give. I've read some pretty knowledgeable posts here. If this is in the wrong forum, please let me know. I am, as the icon says, a n00bie.

Samfoo
6/22/2005 5:24pm,
http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/

There's the website for anyone interested.

DubhGhaill
6/22/2005 8:02pm,
Generally Hapkido guys are really good at putting on demonstations. The fighting skills of Hapkido players, however, are questionable and will vary widely.

Judo and Muay Thai are both very well respected fighting styles. Because they are combat sports, the practitioners have to fight. That means the general standard is much higher, and much more of a sure bet.

ScotchTape
6/22/2005 8:20pm,
Go there and see what the classes are like.

Hapkido sounds like a good choice with the all-range fighting it covers, but it's usually not as inclusive as it seems. There are some good Hapkido schools out there, but a whole lot more shitty ones. I'd say the ratio of crappy Hapkido schools to good ones is somewhere around 126:1.

You'd be better off with the Muay Thai/Judo classes.

Omega Supreme
6/22/2005 8:23pm,
Okay use the search function guys. There was an entire thread based on this. That is not a Hapkido school so stop calling it that. Find the other thread I'll be locking this one down.

Omega Supreme
6/22/2005 8:24pm,
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13107&highlight=Hapkiyoosool

Omega Supreme
6/22/2005 8:26pm,
Go to that link then come back here guys.

punchingdummy
6/22/2005 9:55pm,
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13107&highlight=Hapkiyoosool

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

That is one of the few very lllooooonnnnnnggggggg threads that is actually worth reading the entire thing. Entertaining.

torrefaction
6/23/2005 9:17am,
Go to that link then come back here guys.


I actually did read this whole thread, and that's the reason I'm posting. After 38 pages of random people saying different things, I wasn't sure what the verdict is. From what I gathered, Deluxe never actually went to the school. So did someone find out for sure that this is more of an Aikido focused school than Hapkido?
I tried to be pretty thorough. I read all the threads he (Jeff Allen) posted on here, and some on Budoseek (Where he seemed to have a certain amount of respect, and . From what I saw, when people called to check his references, what they got out of it was that he was well respected, and a skilled instructor. But I did notice a lot of what seemed like double-talk to me. I really am not trying to stir up the pot here, I wanted someone's honest opinion of hapkido, and then to see if anyone had actually been to that school. I'm just really wanting to take training seriously at this point in my life, and I don't want to end up at a less than top notch school.

Fantasy Warrior
6/23/2005 10:02am,
I've had similar run ins with Mr Allen on other sites about his claims. His attitude towards the importance of accuracy in his website's statements is somewhat lacking which puts a big questionmark over his character. Afterall, he is the real deal and all other Hapkido orgs are wrongly claiming to be Hapkido.....

Te No Kage!
6/23/2005 10:50am,
dude, train at American Top Team if you get a chance, real self defence, real "alive" training and you'll know for certain where you're at in your skill by sparring at full tilt in every class. If you take Hapkido/Aikido/Hapkiyusool/Daito-ryu, you'll learn a lot of techniques that you won't know if will be able to work or not when the time arises. Start with a good base art like Judo/Muay Thai/BJJ and then if it's not for you or you want to dabble in something else, fine. But as a martial arts noob, you'd be best served by taking one of those three. If you still don't want to take our advice, take some free classes at each school and decide for yourself.

Te No Kage!
6/23/2005 11:02am,
BTW the last three pages are the best for info

hapkido_keith
6/23/2005 11:14am,
I DO hapkido, and I would recomend Judo or BJJ.

punchingdummy
6/23/2005 11:26am,
I actually did read this whole thread, and that's the reason I'm posting. After 38 pages of random people saying different things, I wasn't sure what the verdict is. From what I gathered, Deluxe never actually went to the school. So did someone find out for sure that this is more of an Aikido focused school than Hapkido?
I tried to be pretty thorough. I read all the threads he (Jeff Allen) posted on here, and some on Budoseek (Where he seemed to have a certain amount of respect, and . From what I saw, when people called to check his references, what they got out of it was that he was well respected, and a skilled instructor. But I did notice a lot of what seemed like double-talk to me. I really am not trying to stir up the pot here, I wanted someone's honest opinion of hapkido, and then to see if anyone had actually been to that school. I'm just really wanting to take training seriously at this point in my life, and I don't want to end up at a less than top notch school.

You are asking compund questions - you want to know about Hapkido AND Mr. Allen. I would suggest that you would be less confused if you focused on one at a time.

myrddin
6/23/2005 11:40am,
I did Hapkido for about 3 1/2 years, now I am taking BJJ. I would not consider my Hapkido training to be something that would garner a ton of respect around these parts--no sparring, some aliveness but more of a focus on technical aspects of how moves should work.

I personally consider that time and training to be very valuable, as you do a bit of a lot of things--striking, kicking, locking, a wee itty bit of ground. It definitely has given me a leg up in BJJ because I come into it already with some knowledge of effective locking technique, which has helped learning submissions.

Another poster on this thread hit it right on though, most Hapkido places don't spar, and in most place you will be working with (for a long time at the start anyway) a compliant partner. So you do end up with a variety of techniques, probably about 1/2 of which you would feel comfortable with using in an actual altercation, and another 1/4 that you might use if a special circumstance warranted it. In any event you're not likely to use it much in sport, not because it is 73h d34d1y but just because most Hapkido instructors, even those who are excellent technicians, are traditionalist snobs who "aren't into sport applications".

For example, GM Ji Han Jae. He created Sin Moo Hapkido. I did one of his seminars--a little pricey, so I only did those sessions I was interested in at the time. He's a little Korean guy who has some really weird thoughts about things like nutrition and sex and such as part of his martial arts philosophy. Stuff that IMO is definitely bullshido.

On the other hand, the man is a master technician. I would never doubt his skill with applied locking in a fight. I don't know how much of his school's training is "alive" (the affiliated school that held the seminar was ridiculous-level mcdojo), but there is no "sport" competition element to his curriculum as far as I am aware, and also as far as I am aware no full-contact sparring. If anyone here is an affiliated Sin Moo member and can contradict this, let me know.

So as with all things, your mileage may vary. One thing is for sure though, on this forum you're going to get a lot of MT, BJJ, Judo recommendations. Obviously nothing wrong with that, but as with everything you'll have to make up your own mind.

One thing, if you are in Florida, make sure you stay away from Richard Hackworth, who I believe is still operating out of Florida somewhere. Major bullshido.

Anthracis
6/23/2005 1:04pm,
It's Deja Vu all over again :angry4:

I think that you have already made up your mind and are seeking justification to try it. If you really want to try Allen's Hapki YO' SOUL go ahead and give it a go. Then, go somewhere and train. I would recommend BJJ and/or Muay Thai. It has been my experience that BJJ is a lot more applicable on confrontations (except against multiple attackers) because you know that what you can effectively use against resisting opponents at the academy, you can use in an encounter...effectively. But it all depends on your goals. Are you in it for better health? Are you in it for competition? Are you in it for self defense? If you are only trying to better your health or are recovering from injuries and such, then you can do whatever you want. But if you want th3 d3adlin3ss, hapki YO' SOUL is not where you will find it.

I hope that this contributes to your choice. I would take everyone's comments and go with what's in your heart. We're just trying to help you not waste your time, energy, and money! take it however you wish.