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Chupacabra
5/20/2005 8:27am,
Gracie BJJ to be exact.

Anyways It was a total fucking McDojo. I won't go into great detail, but it was.

I came in, said hello, and asked how much BJJ was a month. you would have though I asked a question about brain surgery.all I wanted to know was how much BJJ was not anything else, not what was included with it not anything. all i wanted to know was how much it would cost me to come and roll with people 2 or three times a week, that's all. After about 2 or three minutes of me not paying attention to what the guy was saying he finally said $125 a month.

Now.......
The classes are 1 hour long
offered 3 times a week
and the ONLY instructor at the school is a purple.

Then on top of all that, in order to take even an introductory class, you have to go through some orientation.... no thank you.

I really want to go back to my old school but coming home at 10:00 on nights that I have to wake up at 5:00 to go to work isn't going to cut it......

Guess I'm screwed.

Oh well, just thought I'd share. To bad bjj is starting down that slippery slope, I guess it was inevitable though.

I just wish someone would open up a quality fucking school that was closer than 30 minutes away from my house.

Bearcat
5/20/2005 10:02am,
Because you found a school run by a purple belt that over charges, bjj is "starting down that slippery slope."

Right...

TylerDurden
5/20/2005 10:08am,
A lot of good schools are run by Purples in areas where there are not a lot of other options. And depending on where you are 125 bucks a month may not be out of line for BJJ training. Who is the purple trained under? And is he a good teacher with some competition experience? I would ask those questions before completely dismissing it.

MEGA JESUS-SAMA
5/20/2005 10:09am,
Because you found a school run by a purple belt that over charges, bjj is "starting down that slippery slope."

Right...

The "slippery slope" is the fallacy that, "If A happens, there's an increased chance of B happening". So yes, if people see a purple belt getting away with charging 125 a month, they might try and emulate him.

Chupacabra
5/20/2005 10:19am,
Because you found a school run by a purple belt that over charges, bjj is "starting down that slippery slope."

Right...

I was making a generalization, and in case you didn't notice I didn't go into a lot of detail about the school. It's not a school that is ran by a BJJ purple belt, it's a fucking mcdojo that offers BJJ.

And yes, BJJ is STARTING to get Mcdojoized. By starting I mean starting. starting slowly, or fast it doesn't matter. starting doesn't mean it's got to finish, it means it's starting.

they "slippery slope" to which I am reffereing has nothing to do with the quality of the art, but it has everything to do with the overcommercialization and money eventually becoming king over quality instruction.

So what does all that mean?
absolutely fucking nothing, I was just bitching about a school


oh,
In case no one has told you yet,
stfu noob, no one told you to post in my thread.

Chupacabra
5/20/2005 10:29am,
The place is a tad expensive, but not totally out of line with the high BJJ pricing. How is this a mcdojo?

their is a big painting on the wall that says something along the lines of "blah blah blah give me money and I'll give you a black belt"

and in order for them to even talk to you:
"ask one of our highly trained professional staff members to make an appointment with our Program Director. We will assess your goals and needs, explain our program(s) in detail, and answer any questions you might have"
then:
"Orientation is mandatory and we work with appointments ONLY"

basically, if it looks and smells like a mcdojo........... you know the rest. I didn't stay long enough to get the full run down.

1bad65
5/20/2005 10:33am,
There was an earlier thread about BJJ classes being VERY informal. Our classes are 1 hour, but I've spent 3 hours in one class before. Also most on this site could learn a ton from a purple belt, a lot here train under blue belts. Depending on what city you are in, $125 might not be too bad, the guy has to pay rent.

Yrkoon9
5/20/2005 10:50am,
Sorry bud.

Without taking the class you really can't make that evaluation. In fact, your admission that you really weren't paying a lot of attention takes some of your credibility away.

Now granted that I *PERSONALLY* do not think a purple belt should be teaching class, that is my perspective. I *PERSONALLY* pay $120 a month for a Carlson BB 4x per week 1.5 hours.

That being said, people charge what the market will bear. I can say for certain that if I opened a school and charged $120 a month in some area (that would do it) I could make it worth students money. If you are a whitebelt than I have years of material to cover. And if I wanted to get you into some introductory classes before throwing you to the wolves, I could do that too. None of that would make me a McDojo.

Now if you were to give the school's name and the purple belts name I would be able to make a more informed opinion. But based soley on what you said it looks to me that you didn't give it much of a chance.

ravenink
5/20/2005 11:50am,
Considering that if you are still in the Atlanta area Jacare is $125-135 a month, a purple belt charing $125 is insane. BTW, what school is it and who is the purple under? That sounds overpriced but if the purple belt is under Alliance or Tiger it might be worth it.

Omega Supreme
5/20/2005 11:56am,
Guy's I'm going to side with Chupa on this one. I agree with what everybody is saying about the purple belt but the bottom line is he simply said it was being taught in a Mcdojo, not that the instructor was Mcdojo.

On the other hand Chupa this is not the first I"ve heard of this. Hell I tell everybody I teach in a Mcdojo in the sense we charge a lot and we have a few foo foo classes. I still wouldn't go through a fucking orientation if you know exactly what you want though.

Bearcat
5/20/2005 3:56pm,
I was making a generalizationWhich is exactly the problem. You are trying to draw conclusions based on your anecdotal experience.


they "slippery slope" to which I am reffereing has nothing to do with the quality of the art, but it has everything to do with the overcommercialization and money eventually becoming king over quality instruction.Supply & demand determine the price of instruction. It has nothing to do with "Mcdojoization." If the guy is a shitty instructor, people are going to find out & he is going to lose students. If not, then those students deserve to get ripped off.


So what does all that mean?
absolutely fucking nothing, I was just bitching about a schoolWell, thanks for clearing that up.


oh,
In case no one has told you yet,
stfu noob, no one told you to post in my thread.When I start giving a **** about what you think about me posting on "your" threads, I'll be sure to PM you immediately.

Te No Kage!
5/20/2005 3:58pm,
There's a lot of BJJ in the Atlanta area, off the top of my head Alliance, Tiger, Renzo, Velocity which means that they're probably all charging about the same, unless that's a lot more than Bull was charging you.

At any rate, I think it's all too expensive and the main reason why I will probably never train at a "real" BJJ school. I'd stick with Judo, the poor man's BJJ.

It is Fake
5/20/2005 4:14pm,
Okay Remember, Mcdojo does not equal bad.

There are signs of a school being a Mcdojo. You don't need to participate to know this about a school. You need to participate to know if the quality of the teaching is good or Bullshido (which is bad).

Beneath Contempt
5/20/2005 4:44pm,
I know what Chupa is getting at.

Look at the Lloyd Irvin programme:

http://www.lloydirvin.com/adult/bjj/schedule.html

If you took out all the references to BJJ and all the names - most people would think "First Class McDojo". It's all there - the Black Belt Club, the ranks within ranks, the Little Ninjas class, the accelerated promotion scheme and so on.

But because of the BJJ link, and the presence of a lot of proven fighters, there is the tendancy to want to look over all that.

Now, I don't begrudge any professional martial artist earning a living - regardless of what style they teach (everyone has to put food on the table), it'd not a matter of money - only the attitude of the teacher and whether or not the product is good or not.

I have no doubt that the Lloyd Irvin school is a good one, but the presentation is very much in line with a great many other martial arts schools in the world, some good - but most bad.

Hannibal
5/21/2005 12:20am,
Chupa, forget about it.

Just forget about that place - don't go back there and find something else.

$125- a month for training ? **** that for a joke. Its too expensive. $125- a month is too much to pay. You can pay that much if you like but there is no way I would.

If its grappling that you want look for a Judo school. Or else at least another martial arts place with reasonable prices. Hit the boxing/kickboxing places and keep an eye out for any Kyokushin dojo's.You can't go wrong if you stick to those styles. There nice and easy.

JohnnyCache
5/21/2005 1:17am,
Markets do vary hannibal - there's parts of the US where 100/month or so is the going rate.