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ElDuderino
3/05/2003 8:07am,
one of the major differences between different schools/lineages is in the foot work i.e. turning and weight distribution. What method do any of you use or find most effective? I personnally turn on my heels, and always try to maintain a 50/50 weight distribution.

Stold2
3/05/2003 8:16am,
I find that 50/50 is indeed best, but the main problem with any kind of WC/WT/VT lineage footwork is that a lot of practitioners stand flatfooted. Try that against a boxer and he'll just pick you apart piece by piece.

bncwd
3/05/2003 11:30am,
In EBMAS WT (and I guess also in Leung Ting WT) the weight is 100% on the rear leg.

I don't know if this is the most effective, but I think that the advantages WT gives (really quick way to attack, control, turning once in clinch distance) come from this kind of weight distribution.

Having weight on the front leg seems to me to nullify most of the advantages, and in that regards I would switch to a MT/Boxing stance.

Fighty McGee
3/05/2003 11:30am,
Traditionally, my old WC school (Yip Man lineage) prefered fighting from a side stance, 30% weight on the front foot, 70% on the rear (estimated). The stance is held, in both side stance and goat(horse)stance, with the weight on the ball of the foot. Turning uses the ball and the heel alternately on both feet depending on the direction of the turn (in or out of the line of the stance). I have modified this in my own stance to one much more like a boxing stance (having trained in Muay Thai), toes only slightly inward, side stance, with a 45%front/55%back weight distribution (approx.), dropping into a lower stance as necessary for technique/defense. I found it necessary to modify my stance to allow for better mobility and faster transition to other stances, and to allow for greater access to kicking techniques.

Fighty McGee
3/05/2003 11:36am,
Keeping 100% on your rear leg seems silly. Really that is ONE part of a defensive posture, like a cat stance in Karate... gotta put weight on that front leg at some point.

matzahbal
3/05/2003 11:37am,
The school I study under is of Ip Ching lineage and our foot work is like bncwd's school. 100% on the rear leg and of course 50/50 in the horse stance.

bncwd, also some of the advantage's of this is it stops the front leg from getting sweeped since there is no wait on it and quicker reaction to kicks from the opponent since one wouldn't have to shift their weight to throw a ton gerk (sp?)

"But some apes they gotta go, so we kill the ones we don't know" - 'Ape shall never kill Ape' by The Vandals

pst
3/05/2003 2:22pm,
I like the 50/50, but I find myself using a 70/30 a lot.

pst

LeungJan
3/05/2003 4:14pm,
Oh dear.

dbulmer
3/05/2003 5:00pm,
Bncwd,
In WT plus many offshoots back leg is generally 100%/0. Main reason for 100% is ability to kick quickly without telegraphing ie you can tell some kicks are coming by the bad guy shifting weight, move forward quickly from an abducted stance (hard to do and looks silly ! :) ) and without weight on the front leg it makes it a lot more difficult for someone to leg sweep.

Turning is performed by sinking back on the rear leg and turning the whole of the forward foot - we don't pivot on the heel or ball of the foot. It's hard to do but that's what we train.

The experienced WC guy doesn't worry too much about the percentages coz they are able and experienced enought to have a good root ie typically the centre of gravity is low and they are comfortable in it.

PizDoff
3/05/2003 7:31pm,
"Traditionally, my old WC school (Yip Man lineage) prefered fighting from a side stance, 30% weight on the front foot, 70% on the rear (estimated). "

same, though in sparring i find i can move faster myself with the forawrd facing stance 50/50, btw i'm not flat footed

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Fighty McGee
3/06/2003 10:48am,
PizDoff, if you are going to put that much weight on the front leg in a side stance, at least make sure that your toes are pointed inwards and you are in a fairly low stance. This will help protect your knee, as well as making it harder to sweep you. It won't be as mobile though.

PizDoff
3/06/2003 4:55pm,
"i find i can move faster myself with the forawrd facing stance 50/50,"

despite my spelling mistake, i though my intended meaning was clear......

my side stance is 30/70 or 0/100

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PizDoff
3/06/2003 4:56pm,
then again, stances are transitions in my opinion

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Fighty McGee
3/06/2003 5:18pm,
That's more like it!

PizDoff
3/06/2003 5:46pm,
is it? i like a front forward stance, i don't like to kick THAT much.....


as for the 0/100% weight on the back leg, i think a person can reach on a sweep a leg still, it only takes a bit to unbalance someone standing on 1 leg as opposed to two

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I attack flurriously!
Let me introduce you to my friends: Hand, Elbow and Knee.

Fighty McGee
3/06/2003 6:26pm,
I tend to think of the forward facing goat stance (50/50), feet even with the shoulders, as the most transitional of the WC stances. I think it represents a pause or a turn, rather than a base from which to fight. The side stance (30/70) has more practical application, allowing for forward movement, and in "my" WC, the 0/100 stance is only transition from the 30/70 (like the Karate Cat Stance), rather than a base. It's a weight shift to defend a kick, launch one, or move forward quickly, using the back leg to deliver power and speed (like the difference between a front wheel drive car and a rear wheel drive car.) But that is the traditional way I was taught, which I don't really advocate as a must. Use what suits you best.

There are easy ways to sweep or knock over someone w/ 100% on the rear leg, but they aren't used commonly, so the 0/100 is sort of a catch-all protection for basic fighting.