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PizDoff
4/04/2005 2:27am,
Lady jin loses battle of sexes


Is it right to pit man against woman in a contact sport? A congressman raised this question yesterday as he put to task the Philippine Taekwondo Association (PTA) for the injuries suffered by Ma. Criselda Roxas, a member of the national team bound for the World Taekwondo Championship in Spain and a gold medalist in the last Southeast Asian Games.

Rep. Crispin "Boying" Remulla said he would file a resolution in Congress that will look into whether the PTA may have violated some provisions of the law prohibiting violence against women and children.

Remulla said he and fellow lawmakers Liza Maza and Teddy Boy Casino will press Congress to conduct an investigation in aid of legislation.

Roxas, an 18-year-old La Salle student, was brought to the hospital last March 15 after being knocked out and her jaw broken by Brix Ramos in a sparring session. She stayed there for nine days and was advised to go on all-liquid diet for two months after her release.

PTA vice-president Hong Sung Chon said what happened "was an accident."

"Pitting men against women in taekwondo is common practice not only here, but all over the world. This is one way of toughening them up especially when they are training for the world championship," Hong explained.

Hong said this practice has been going on since the eighties, resulting in not a few injuries to male and female jins alike.

However, the former Korean world champion, who has made the Philippines home for decades now, admitted that Roxasí case is the worst accident so far. Still, Hong said they would continue this practice despite the accident.

"Have you seen how European female jins fight? They fight like men. Now, if our female players donít train against men, how can they fight the Europeans?" said Hong.

National coach Stephen Fernandez, a former world-class jin himself, said they donít put female jins to unnecessary risks. "Weíve been sparring against women even during my time. We hold back and try to earn points in the body. Kaso inabot nga si Criselda (Roxas). Aksidente," said Fernandez, who was present during the sparring session.

Fernandez denied that they did not attend to Roxas after being knocked out as charged by Remulla. He said secretary-general Noli Gabriel went to Roxas and succeeded to revive her.

It is true, Fernandez admitted, that Roxas was egged on to continue, but only for the purpose of toughening her up. "It is difficult to stand up after being knocked out, but we have to let her continue to overcome the psychological trauma," said Fernandez, who said Roxas was brought to the hospital after a few meaningless kicks.

Remulla, he said, was fed with conflicting reports.

"Admittedly, taekwondo is a contact sport that from time to time unfortunately results to its practitioners being injured. However, in as far as the incident is concerned, my office has received disturbing details that Ms. Roxas may have been unnecessarily exposed to danger," Remulla said.

Remulla said the PTA has some explaining to do, "especially since the incident seemed to have been deliberately kept away from public and media attention."

Hong said he welcomes the investigation as he invited the congressmen to watch their training sessions. Roxas is one of the countryís rising jins. She won the bronze medal in the Asian taekwondo championships and the gold in the Southeast Asian championships held last year.

Fernandez said depending on her determination, Roxas still has time to recuperate and see action in the SEA Games set in November. óWith reports from Jean MALANUM
http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT2005040131770.html

Good thing a woman didn't break a man's jaw.

JKDChick
4/04/2005 2:37am,
*suffused with rage, has to go lie down now*

PizDoff
4/04/2005 2:55am,
And they said I had no takedown skills! :eusa_doh:


It is true, Fernandez admitted, that Roxas was egged on to continue, but only for the purpose of toughening her up. "It is difficult to stand up after being knocked out, but we have to let her continue to overcome the psychological trauma," said Fernandez, who said Roxas was brought to the hospital after a few meaningless kicks.

Remulla, he said, was fed with conflicting reports.

"Admittedly, taekwondo is a contact sport that from time to time unfortunately results to its practitioners being injured. However, in as far as the incident is concerned, my office has received disturbing details that Ms. Roxas may have been unnecessarily exposed to danger," Remulla said.

Hahahha must have missed that part when I first read it.
Serves me right for trying to post news and be cognizant at 4 am.

Wounded Ronin
4/04/2005 10:53am,
Yum, sexism *and* racism in the same news story!



Rep. Crispin "Boying" Remulla said he would file a resolution in Congress that will look into whether the PTA may have violated some provisions of the law prohibiting violence against women and children.




"Have you seen how European female jins fight? They fight like men. Now, if our female players donít train against men, how can they fight the Europeans?" said Hong.



I agree with JKDC. This is a pretty gross set of comments all around.

JKDChick
4/04/2005 11:27am,
*still jittering with rage*

WOMEN AND CHILDREN!

Obviously, I need some BIG STRONG MAN TO PROTECT ME! BECAUSE I'M THE SAME AS A CHILD ! I NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM MY OWN CHOSEN PURSUITS!

MAHHHAHHEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEHHEHHEHJEHEHEE

Ronin
4/04/2005 11:42am,
Sports are about LEVEL playing fields.

Women VS Women
Men VS Men
Children VS Children
Piz VS small woodland creature.

JKDChick
4/04/2005 11:46am,
Sports are about LEVEL playing fields.

Women VS Women
Men VS Men
Children VS Children
Piz VS small woodland creature.

ALL women are no more on the same "level" playing field as all men. Give me ONE field and let me choose my own team. If I choose to fight men, let me. Don't watch if it bothers you. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Ronin
4/04/2005 11:48am,
ALL women are no more on the same "level" playing field as all men. Give me ONE field and let me choose my own team. If I choose to fight men, let me. Don't watch if it bothers you. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.


Irrelevant and you know it.

Women VS Men won't ever be more than a "side show".

Sorry, but that is how it is.
At least for right now.

There is a reason for weight divisions, for seperatin pro's and amateures, etc.

Tef-the-Persian
4/04/2005 12:07pm,
Irrelevant and you know it.

Women VS Men won't ever be more than a "side show".

Sorry, but that is how it is.
At least for right now.

There is a reason for weight divisions, for seperatin pro's and amateures, etc.

Man, you can't say something won't ever be something, then say, "at least for right now."

I think it should always be up to the people involved in the "sport," given that they have their majority.

JKDChick
4/04/2005 12:41pm,
Irrelevant and you know it.

Women VS Men won't ever be more than a "side show".

Sorry, but that is how it is.
At least for right now.

There is a reason for weight divisions, for seperatin pro's and amateures, etc.

Ronin, she wasn't fighting a guy in the ring for show, she was TRAINING to fight other women, and doing it at a high level.

I'm not allowed to even SPAR with men? Is that it? Because I'm a weak, feeble little child?

Sophist
4/04/2005 12:55pm,
Huh.

There was a discussion on this very same topic over at the judoinfo forums a while back; if the posters are representative of the art, men who don't spar across the gender line in judo are not merely the exception, but regarded as quaint chauvinistic anachronisms.

I could just see the same thing happening from a male-female newaza session where someone was slow to tap... nah, this is patently ridiculous. Pitting male and female together in competition is unlikely to be a fair match in most cases, but in-club sparring between consenting adults shouldn't be victimised by the nanny state.

Mr. Mantis
4/04/2005 1:12pm,
I just wanted to add to this thread that I know a few ladies who can beat the living **** out of me. This is due to the fact that they hit hard and fast.

On the generalities - women are not as physically strong as men. However, they are faster.

Ronin
4/04/2005 2:38pm,
Man, you can't say something won't ever be something, then say, "at least for right now."

I think it should always be up to the people involved in the "sport," given that they have their majority.


Fact is numbnuts, times change with changing attitudes, but we are in a time that people feel that 2 trained men going full contact ALA UFC is brutal and a "cock fight", so imagine what those same people would say about a full contact match between a man and a woman.

This is not about sparring, the only person to dictate in a gym is the head instructor/coach, of he/she says co-ed full contact than thatis what wil happen, like it or not.

I am talking about a sanctioned full contact fight, be it kick boxing, MMA, MT or boxing.
I don't see any of the name organizations sanctioning it.

Grappling is a whole different story.

Feryk
4/04/2005 2:47pm,
There are too many jokes that could run around this thread, but JKDC is already in a mood so...(j/k)

Why would a 140lbs man not be able to fight a 140lbs woman?

I could see if it was a 140lbs woman and a 250 lbs man. Then there's a problem.

If this girl is world class in TKD, then why should anyone think she's not good enough to step in the ring with a guy? :glasses12

It's stupid.

LLL
4/04/2005 4:32pm,
It's BS...

If a woman wants to fight, then let her; if she starts crying afterwards, then make her fight again! (;;););) jokejoke don't kill me JKDC).

-> there are weight classes in most fighting sports anyway. AND if a woman wants to fight in something that doesn't... -> Oh NO, let her. Just like if a small guy entered, or something.

BUT. Attn: women; it is, for psychological reasons, life-long prophaganda training, and possibly because of your sexual attractiveness... hard for men to hit back...

JKDChick
4/04/2005 4:57pm,
BUT. Attn: women; it is, for psychological reasons, life-long prophaganda training, and possibly because of your sexual attractiveness... hard for men to hit back...

Your problem; not mine.

If I want to be part of a "sideshow" and a guy wants to fight me, I'm a consenting adult. It's my choice.