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Don Gwinn
3/30/2005 8:39pm,
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165988&page=1&pp=25

It's four pages long and well worth it. This has the makings of another Ashida Kim punking. Although this "Lucky in Kentucky" character is not a big ninja star like Mr. Hunter, Rich Lucibella is going to be in Texas at the time he named and he does have the ability to put together $50,000 for a challenge match (the ability to gamble and lose it, not just get it into his hands.) He also flies his own plane and runs SWAT Magazine from the road when necessary, so he can go just about anywhere to handle this.

For the record, the groups Lucky in Kentucky claims from his Dragunov rifle work out to something like .1 to .2 MOA (Minute of Angle) which just isn't happening at 800 yards. Not possible with a Dragunov for the best long-range shooters in the world. His claims of top-secret military training as a sniper are also smelly.

But he's going to put up or shut up, at this point. Rich is not someone with whom you ought to trifle, and I include bluffing in that category.

This is not going to end well for the Sooper Sniper.

Don't stop reading until you reach the $50k challenge, or you'll be missing out.


Oh, one note of warning--if you decide to stick around and post at TFL, do NOT troll, flame, cast personal insults, swear . . . . well, if you register, you'll see the rules. TFL is not Bullshido. Such behavior will not be tolerated there. The fairly mild ribbing Lucky in Kentucky is taking so far is the TFL equivalent of having Bullshido offer to rape your mom, dad and dog. Most of the time, even that kind of mild rebuke is not allowed, even if the whole board knows someone is full of ****.

punchingdummy
3/30/2005 9:24pm,
Oh ****, this is good Don!

I know of some of those guys posting there and they are not pretenders. That shithead passing himself off as a Scout/Sniper and FRecon Marine needs an adjustment.

punchingdummy
3/30/2005 9:29pm,
Here's a good one:


Lucky's post on the BS Meter

TRUTH --------------**++**-- BS

Instruments don't lie

and...



I've got several 1-shot groups that rival Lucky's at those ranges.

but my favorite is....


I'll contact the State Information Systems agency at which you work and let them know the kind of Walter Mitty ramblings that are emanating from your cubicle there....complete with dates and IP tracking...

Time to Come to Jesus, Lucky.

OWNED!

Gringo Grande
3/30/2005 10:02pm,
I'm not even into firearms but who at Bullshido doesn't like seeing someone such as that get punked?

Nice find!

Gringo Grande

Phrost
3/30/2005 10:25pm,
You know, there seems to be some assumption that Bullshido has something against people who focus on weapons training. That couldn't be further from the truth. The operating consensus here for a while has been that "Martial" arts are the arts of war, combat, and measured/directed violence for the purpose of promoting or defending one's interests.

Three staff members have served full terms in the military, and one is still actively serving. And despite differing opinions on gun control, our members generally recognize the value of proficiency with all ranges of combat including firearms.

That said, investigating/identifying Bullshido in this aspect of the Martial Arts should be just as actively pursued here as any other aspect if not more, because these crackpots are likely to be hoarding guns.

punchingdummy
3/30/2005 10:36pm,
While I agree in principle (and certainly include firearms in my personal definition of martial arts), Bullshido frankly does not have the expertise or credibility to pay too much attention to the wannabe shooters/snipers/gunslingers of the world. So while we should welcome these kinds of outings, we shouldn't get too carried away either.

Red Elvis
3/30/2005 10:41pm,
Did someone say .1 to .2 MOA at 800 yards with a Dragunov? I'm trying to figure that **** in my head quickly here but isn't that something akin to a 1.5" shot group?

Wait... got the calculator and it's .8" to 1.6" at 800 yards unless I've forgotten how to compute that ****. Using a mil dot reticle means 1 mil is like 29" at 800 yards and he's hitting within a 1.5" shot group?

:sad8:

Red Elvis
3/30/2005 10:46pm,
So while we should welcome these kinds of outings, we shouldn't get too carried away either.

Yup...

There is a range officer where I shoot at who has such wild boasts. He claims to hit a 12" diameter steel target at 200 yards with a 45 pistol consistantly. Not a nice one either but "just one a guy couldn't hit **** with at 25 yards so I showed him how it was done". I just smile and wait till he's gone so I can resume hitting dirt with my rifle. F*cktard. Not worth argueing about.


:qleft3:

Phrost
3/30/2005 10:48pm,
While I agree in principle (and certainly include firearms in my personal definition of martial arts), Bullshido frankly does not have the expertise or credibility to pay too much attention to the wannabe shooters/snipers/gunslingers of the world. So while we should welcome these kinds of outings, we shouldn't get too carried away either.

I'm not suggesting we try to duplicate the work done by the guys at AuthentiSeal (http://www.authentiseal.org). What I'm saying is we should work with groups like them more often, should try to feature more RBSD/Military bullshido in our efforts, and should engage/include more of the genuine RBSD/Military folks in the discussions here.

punchingdummy
3/30/2005 10:49pm,
Did someone say .1 to .2 MOA at 800 yards with a Dragunov? I'm trying to figure that **** in my head quickly here but isn't that something akin to a 1.5" shot group?

(to steal a line from another on that thread)

I can consistently hit .1 to .2 MOA one-shot groups!

punchingdummy
3/30/2005 10:52pm,
I'm not suggesting we try to duplicate the work done by the guys at AuthentiSeal (http://www.authentiseal.org). What I'm saying is we should work with groups like them more often, should try to feature more RBSD/Military bullshido in our efforts, and should engage/include more of the genuine RBSD/Military folks in the discussions here.

...one of the interesting side-effects would be the introduction of more people that may not agree with the "BJJ/MT/MMA" school of thought which seems to dominate Bullshido at times.

Red Elvis
3/30/2005 11:03pm,
I can consistently hit .1 to .2 MOA one-shot groups!

Funny... I didn't catch that the first time!

Matadon
3/30/2005 11:56pm,
You think that's good, I get 0.00001 MOA with MY one-shot groups, at 100km, with a .22 Ruger firing thousand-year old ammo made by Shaolin monks from the blood of dragons...

Seriously, I'm tempted to sign up on TFL, just because I like the way they do things, even though I'm a lousy shot, and all I own is a .22 bolt-action that's only marginally less accurate than an Ashida Kim post on NHB fighting.

Don Gwinn
3/31/2005 12:45am,
Doesn't matter what you shoot or whether you shoot. TFL is a great place. Just remember what I said above--TFL is a very different place from Bullshido. A lot of things that wouldn't raise an eyebrow here will get you banned from TFL. I like both, but it's a very different approach.

Pat Rogers hisownself posts at TFL every once in awhile, at least on the SWAT Magazine forum, so I can't help but wonder what we'll see when he finds that thread.

Rich is not someone you want to mess with. TFL staff calls his online style "Sicilian Way."

It wasn't too long ago that there was some hubbub on the intarw3b over rumors that Front Site Academy was pushing students to join the Church of Scientology between classes. Rich and TFL had no position on this, though he doesn't have much use for Dr. Piazza.

Anyway, there was discussion on several gun forums, such as Glocktalk, TFL, and AR15.com. Suddenly there were lawyers threatening everyone in sight with lawsuits if they so much as mentioned the words "Front Sight" and "Scientology" in the same breath. The blogger who first made the accusation was stifled by these threats. Eric at Glocktalk felt he had no choice but to prohibit all mention of either topic on GT! He didn't want to do it, but he believed they'd sue him and he'd never be able to keep Glocktalk open, win or lose. That, of course, was their intent.

Rich got the same letter threatening all kinds of legal action . . . but he sent back a letter that essentially said, in flowery prose, "**** you, here's my address. You don't have the balls to send me the paperwork, you sorry little pansies. Strong message to follow."

That worked. The thing about Rich is, he was already paying thousands a month to run TFL and he'd have paid out the nose if there'd actually turned out to be a lawsuit, too. He wasn't bluffing. I don't know if I've ever seen him bluff.

Breakfast Fox
3/31/2005 1:49am,
My area of knowledge is more in line with firearms than martial arts, so I would be willing to help out. Just gotta remember to post sites on here instead of laughing at them and moving on. :D

Shadowdh
3/31/2005 4:14am,
I loved that thread... thanks


But a link provided one of the funniest storys I have read in a while... phil elmore should read it as it seems to be him to a t.... just thought I would type in phil elmore so he could find his name on his latest search... hi phil...

this was posted on http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=117745&highlight=Part+Deux

As I was leaving my house I stuffed my Glock 10mm "man gun" mexican style in my pants. My backup is a fully customized 1911 with all the IPSC add on options in my $500.00 leather pancake holster custom made by Belgian Monks who have devoted their lives to silence and holster making. These are the ones used by SEAL Team 6, which I used to be a part of but all records of my activities were destroyed in a fire "accident".

I put on my Royal Robbins photographer vest to match my pants while wearing a T-Shirt underneath reading "from my cold dead hands", that away nobody can see what I'm packing.

I had my Centinial .38 Special in my ankle holster, just like the gun rag guys carry.

Lastly I had my "Covert Sniper" I.D. Card in my wallet with my "Concealed Weapons Permit Badge". I was reading for anything.

I drove my Bug Out Truck to the 7-11 for some beer, cause you never know. It is a performance styled Subaru BRAT with 4 cylinders of ground pounding fury.

I pull up to the 7-11 store and notice a nefarious looking girlscout eyeballing me from the back of her mother's SUV. A likely cover.

The mother returned to the truck and went for the keys in her purse, but I knew from my years of combat honed instincts that she was actually making a furtive movement for an offensive weapon.

I attempted a tactical shoulder roll, but fell flat on my face, kind of flopping on the pavement to avoid any incomming rounds and to make look like I meant to do that. The store owner called 911 which is good because I then did a roll and attempted to draw my Glock.

Unfortunantly, since I did not have a holster, the gun "went off" and the bullet creased my weaner. But I was prepared for that and bit down on a 9mm casing to take my mind off the pain as I dove for the garbage barrel. Thats when I noticed the girlscout shouting somthing to her mother who began to take cover. I knew they were closing on me so I drew my custom trusty 1911 Wilson COMBAT....I knew that they would be impressed with that. I then duckwalked to the front of her SUV but my gut kinda got in the way and I fell on my ass, which caused me to swallow my 9mm casing.

I then tried to roll to my right, but didn't want to scuff my holster so I just threw myself into telephone pole, but I landed on right side anyway. So I fired one shot towards the womans SUV to pin them down as I recovered my wind.

And before the mother knew what was happening, I charged her and I threw my groin into her knee. I knew that as I vomited on the ground in front of her that I had interupted her OODA loop, I had the advantage now. As she ran screaming for the girlscout (I knew she was going for backup) I made for my Super Charged BRAT tactical truck. I jumped into the driver seat forgeting that I had left my rare Israeli contract AR 15 Bayonet on the seat honed to a razors edge. I could handle it though, half my ass is an implant from war wounds. As I attempted to start my truck police and paramedics arrived on the scene. My truck would not start and instead backfired once and caused the police to tase me. At which point I tactically soiled myself while in convulsions. My custom 1911 then fell window but I still had my Centenial .38. I knew that I had to take out the woman with the purse.

So I aimed my revolver at her at which point the first police officer fired once striking me in the chest, fortunantly I was wearing my level 3A body armor. I didn't want to hurt the cops, they had obviously been duped by the evil temptress who was now embracing her partner in crime and crying to the police in the background, I knew it was a ruse.

I pulled out my concealed weapons permit badge and showed it to the officer who shot me and yelled out "I'm one of you guys", he continued to cover me and ordered me to drop my .38 so I layed it down, I still had my bayonet after all, attached to my ass. The cop walked toward me and upon reading the badge maced me right in the eyes. Fortunantly my Oakly shooting glasses stopped most of the spray and I was able to rip free of the taser cords easily, it only cost me one nipple, easily replaced. I dove for the passanger side of my truck and began to run zig zag for a ditch, unfortunantly the bayonet sticking out of my ass slowed me down, I knew it would have to be hand to had now. I knew the cop couldn't take me when I saw here merely carried a Glock 17, not a mans gun. So I immediatly threw my eye into his right hook, followed by a knee into his mag light. As I lay thrashing on the ground I took the heel of my Bates enforcer boot and kicked at the cops ankle, I knew that from my classified experiences in Tajikistan that once breaking the ankle, the cop would fall down and I could "stun kick" him in the head, knocking him out but now hurting him.

Apparantly the cop had also been to Tajikistan because he side steped me and struck me in the back with his ASP baton, but my trauma plate absorbed it. I then drew my Benchmade auto knife and was promptly tased again, but I was ready for it this time and only wet myself a little bit.

Next thing those cops knew I was unconcious. That'll teach 'em.


Edit: this story was inspired by Nightcrawler, who did one first...