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zorblack2
3/25/2005 4:22pm,
I'm not here to start a discussion of whether kung fu is better/worse than any other MA, I just want to know if anyone has heard good/bad things about Wah Lum in general and specifically if anyone has any experience or knowledge of the temple in Winter Park Florida. I've got a website here : http://www.wahlum.com. I'm trying to see some opinions of whether this place would be worth my time. I'm a cheap college going bastard who sits around too damn much and I'd like to lose weight, get a little more harmony with my body and mind, and as a much lower priority, learn to defend myself. The only reason the defending myself priority is so low is that I'm 20 years old and I've never been in a fight (I'm pretty good at talking my way out of it) and frankly I think it's just always a better idea to get away than stand and incur a bunch of legal bullshit. Ok, I think I got everything in there, thanks in advance for the advice.

It is Fake
3/25/2005 4:29pm,
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20737&page=1&pp=15&highlight=chan+pui


This question will be better answered by this thread.

zorblack2
3/25/2005 4:52pm,
Thanks a lot for that, but I'm afraid I'm more confused now. Some of the complaints people had seem pretty lame, (I wanted to learn qi dong! My Ki is so not flowing!) but I couldn't tell with all the abreviations what was going on in the temple. What I managed to glean was that Master Chan was no longer teaching tai chi (which doesn't affect me), and instead some nefarious Suzy person was doing it. Does this mean Master Chan no longer teaches at all? Am I going to get a much less effective education because of this? And the thing that scared me most (remember, cheap college kid) was the comment that forms were drawn out forever and taught too slowly to get more money (they called it "playing games"). Does anyone know some authentic TMA schools in Winter Park besides the Wah Lum temple? Seriously, I'm open to any and all advice, and thanks again for the link.

Cunta Sensei
3/25/2005 5:00pm,
Thanks a lot for that, but I'm afraid I'm more confused now. Some of the complaints people had seem pretty lame, (I wanted to learn qi dong! My Ki is so not flowing!) but I couldn't tell with all the abreviations what was going on in the temple. What I managed to glean was that Master Chan was no longer teaching tai chi (which doesn't affect me), and instead some nefarious Suzy person was doing it. Does this mean Master Chan no longer teaches at all? Am I going to get a much less effective education because of this? And the thing that scared me most (remember, cheap college kid) was the comment that forms were drawn out forever and taught too slowly to get more money (they called it "playing games"). Does anyone know some authentic TMA schools in Winter Park besides the Wah Lum temple? Seriously, I'm open to any and all advice, and thanks again for the link.

apparently there is a Five Animals Style school run by a Sifu Tracy Flemming that is located in Longwood off 17/92. i think the phone number should be in the phonebook.
also there's supposed to be a damn good Muay Thai school off SR50 by Orange Ave.
that's all the help i'm able to give, sorry.

edit* i just checked your link to the Wah Lum thing and i think (very tentatively) that the school in Winter Park was once featured on the discovery channel? ok, so it's not exactly the greatest recommendation, but if it was on discovery then it can't be that bad a school, can it?

Mr. Mantis
3/25/2005 5:04pm,
Check them both out and see what you like.

Mr. Mantis
3/25/2005 5:07pm,
edit* i just checked your link to the Wah Lum thing and i think (very tentatively) that the school in Winter Park was once featured on the discovery channel? ok, so it's not exactly the greatest recommendation, but if it was on discovery then it can't be that bad a school, can it?

I've seen some pretty bad stuff on the Discovery Channel.

The wah lum guy is one of those self proclaimed "4 living legends of kung fu", that in my book is a strike against him, and a reason why I would never go there. However, out of the 4 living legends, the Wah Lum guy seemed to be the best.

You may get some benefits out of just knowing some basics of shantung mantis.

It is Fake
3/25/2005 5:07pm,
From what I gathered it has become performanced based. In other words Master Chan is retiring or already retired. His daughter is running the art and more drama has ensued.

virtual_mantis
3/25/2005 5:11pm,
Maybe post your question over at KFO. It might help.

Cunta Sensei
3/25/2005 5:15pm,
The wah lum guy is one of those self proclaimed "4 living legends of kung fu", that in my book is a strike against him, and a reason why I would never go there.

i probably should have read more of that website. i don't trust people who feel the need to make self-proclamations.

Mr. Mantis
3/25/2005 6:13pm,
i probably should have read more of that website. i don't trust people who feel the need to make self-proclamations.

The 4 "living legends" of kung fu are:

Grandmaster Pui Chan ~ http://www.wahlum.com/index.htm
Master Brendan Lai ~ http://www.brendanlai.com/usa/
Master Adam Hsu ~ http://www.adamhsu.com/
Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong ~ http://www.plumblossom.net/

http://www.wahlum.com/kung-fu_store.htm

Bugeisha
3/25/2005 6:40pm,
I don't know about the current state of affairs at the Wah Lum temple, but Pui Chan is the real thing. If you're interested in Wah Lum Mantis, you're in the right place.

Errorr
3/25/2005 6:48pm,
Boxing is cheap and traditional. Just because you've never been in a fight doesn't mean that boxing wouldn't be fun for you as well as fitting the improved activity that you mentioned an interest in..


And if your'e dead set on doing forms....


Shadow boxing is form.

lama_xy
3/25/2005 6:50pm,
The 4 "living legends" of kung fu are:

Grandmaster Pui Chan ~ http://www.wahlum.com/index.htm
Master Brendan Lai ~ http://www.brendanlai.com/usa/
Master Adam Hsu ~ http://www.adamhsu.com/
Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong ~ http://www.plumblossom.net/

http://www.wahlum.com/kung-fu_store.htm

Brendan Lai passed away September 2004

It is Fake
3/25/2005 6:54pm,
I don't know about the current state of affairs at the Wah Lum temple, but Pui Chan is the real thing. If you're interested in Wah Lum Mantis, you're in the right place.

No one is saying he isn't. But if he doesn't teach then him being a figure head doesn't help your learning of kung fu.

Brendan Lai passed away Spetember 23, 2002.

Mr. Mantis
3/25/2005 6:55pm,
He was obviously still alive when the video tape was made.

zorblack2
3/25/2005 7:04pm,
He was obviously still alive when the video tape was made.
You can't prove that...
Another problem with going to this temple is that I'm not exactly sure how to get in... they've got these really large gates you see... But seriously if Master Chan is the real deal I gotta go check this place out. What do you think would be a fair price for lessons?