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Wounded Ronin
2/01/2005 12:31am,
So, you all know Dan Webre, right? He posts on Pax Bacalum with bad spelling and grammar and everyone there pretty much idolizes him. I remember someone on Pax Bacalum writing how if you fought with Dan Webre you'd end up dead because he's so deadly, and I remember Dan Webre writing about how tough you have to be in New Orleans because it's so rough and violent. (Hmm, I seem to be doing fine, so far, without needing to be Conan the Barbarian...) He claims that he has this school in New Orleans, Outlaw Fighting Systems, but the URL that is in his profile dosen't work, and I haven't seen any sign of such a place in the city. Actually, I had been trying to track it down so that I could visit and write a review of it, but I have not been able to come up with anything.

In my latest attempt to track down the physical location of Outlaw Fighting Systems, I ran a google search on "Dan Webre". Look what I came up with:

http://www.protectmefirst.com/webimages/filthy.jpg

From: http://www.protectmefirst.com/dan_webre.asp



The con videotaped is Dan Webre. You may not recognize the name... but he's famous in "other" circles. He's connected. (Now, at least.)

And... he's probably one of the most dangerous men you'll ever meet. Even though...

He's Short, Out of Shape, And Under 140 Lbs. Soaking Wet!



Yes, he's famous in "other" circles, like Phil Elmore's circle. Where he is known for posting on the internet about violence and brutality while being short, out of shape, and under 140 pounds.

Apparently, Phil Elmore even interviewed him: http://www.themartialist.com/0603/whoisdanwebre.htm



How old are you? Where do you live and work?

I'm 32 years old. I live mostly in New Orleans. I don't actually have a "real job," as most people think of it -- most of my income is what I'd call "passive." I have hobbies other than teaching.


He's an out of shape 32 year old without a job?




What is your martial arts background?

Wing Tsun. It was good, but very informal. I learned from a neighbor when I was younger. I taught myself the rest from older Wing Tsun books. My real "martial arts background" comes from the streets, though -- from real fights with real people.


Wing Tsun? What a tuffie.




For what did you go to prison? How long were you there?

That's not something I'm going to go into. I'm not trying to come off all, "I don't want to talk about it" like some tough guy -- it just isn't worth getting into. I got in trouble as a kid a few times, mostly gang-type ****, and then I got in trouble again as an adult. I got sent back twice for violations after that. Why dwell on it? That's behind me.


Right, so he dosen't want to talk about it for an interview, but it's okay to flaunt the whole Filthy Jailhouse Tactics things for the sake of selling a video.



If I'm interested in training in OFS, where and how do I begin?

If you're interested in training, I hope you saved for a rainy day. I value my time dearly. Time away from my little girl or my own training is going to cost you. [laughs]

To get started, just visit my website and e-mail me. If I have the time I'lld do it. Oh, and don't waste your time sending me hate mail -- that **** is screened by someone else. I do read the really funny ones, though, but that is rare. I have too many productive things to do with my time.



The website is down.

Nitecrawler
2/01/2005 12:40am,
Wing Tsun. It was good, but very informal. I learned from a neighbor when I was younger. I taught myself the rest from older Wing Tsun books. My real "martial arts background" comes from the streets, though -- from real fights with real people --- Dan Webre



Lets just put it this way, 95 percent of the martial arts that Sammy studied taught him absolutely nothing about "real world" street/combat survival. Sammy Franco's only true instructor was the street. Period! -- Sammy Franco



LMFAO!!!!!

Please tell me someone on here was stupid enough to buy Webre's tapes....but is smart enough to post vid clips of it :)

Lampa
2/01/2005 12:50am,
You know, I walk down streets all the time and I never get compitent martial arts instruction. I guess that all those were A street but not THE street.

On a side note: Okay, I'm a firm believer in learning by doing. I am possibly an even firmer believer than some of you guys, and I mean for everything. However, if someone has managed to get themselve into enough street fights to amount to a sufficient level of experience to learn simply by doing then, by all rights they should be dead. Not only that, but imagine how much of a prick you'd have to be in order to get into enough fighting to come close to matching the average martial arts student's sparring time. That's several HOURS a week you have to spend successfully provoking people to attack you.

Poop Loops
2/01/2005 1:25am,
Really? I was walking down to Walmart yesterday, and Ramon Dekkers just popped out of nowhere and showed me how to do a Muay Thai roundhouse. Then, I was walking back home and Rickson Gracie showed me a guard pass. This stuff happens to me all the time. Where do you live?

PL

lifetime
2/01/2005 3:14am,
Really? I was walking down to Walmart yesterday, and Ramon Dekkers just popped out of nowhere and showed me how to do a Muay Thai roundhouse. Then, I was walking back home and Rickson Gracie showed me a guard pass. This stuff happens to me all the time. Where do you live?

PL

You suck. It was me that put them out on t3h str33t after kicking them out of their cushy houses because those fakers wouldn't survive 10 seconds outside of the ring against an ex-con/postal worker trained in Outlaw Gangbanger Crackwhore Fighting.

nasty_totoro
2/01/2005 3:25am,
Mindset of Forcing Bad Men To Respect You


But the "nastier" the method


It stinks. You sweat a lot.


Do you know what it's like to spend a long time in prison?


Filthy Jailhouse Tactics

sounds like a ghey porn movie ... :new_blueg

lifetime
2/01/2005 3:29am,
I always wondered why it's "FILTHY" Jailhouse Tactics and not just regular Jailhouse Tactics.

What moron in their right mind would use FILTHY unless they were talking about some serious man-on-man ****-packing action?

Nitecrawler
2/01/2005 3:33am,
Someone should email him and ask him if he ever had his **** pushed in :)

Him and Franco have some serious issues, probably picked on alot in grade school and moved far away from there to create their new identity, that of a badass street-fighter. Somoen should show up on their doorsteps and educate them on the benefits of actually training.

lifetime
2/01/2005 3:43am,
Someone should email him and ask him if he ever had his **** pushed in :)

Him and Franco have some serious issues, probably picked on alot in grade school and moved far away from there to create their new identity, that of a badass street-fighter. Somoen should show up on their doorsteps and educate them on the benefits of actually training.

I volunteer you. :evil7:

Nitecrawler
2/01/2005 3:57am,
Unfortunatly Maryland and New Orleans are a bit far from me. However I will email Weber if you have an email addy :)

Antisocrates
2/01/2005 4:34am,
You know, I walk down streets all the time and I never get compitent martial arts instruction. I guess that all those were A street but not THE street.

On a side note: Okay, I'm a firm believer in learning by doing. I am possibly an even firmer believer than some of you guys, and I mean for everything. However, if someone has managed to get themselve into enough street fights to amount to a sufficient level of experience to learn simply by doing then, by all rights they should be dead. Not only that, but imagine how much of a prick you'd have to be in order to get into enough fighting to come close to matching the average martial arts student's sparring time. That's several HOURS a week you have to spend successfully provoking people to attack you.

In all fairness, IMO experience and/or naked aggression can make up for the lack of skills and polish. There is a great book by a historian/Western martial artist named Amberger, called "Men of Iron" that details this very phenomenon --many skilled, veteran duelists/Olympic athletes/dojo warriors/full-contact sparring MAists got their asses handed to them by, for the lack of better words, thugs and hoodlums. By people unskilled or learned in any formal MA. I'm not talking about men who never sparred, but people who sparred or dueled regularly. These veteran athletes and martial artists essentially panicked and lost to thugs in what amounted to life and death fights.

I may be confusing books, whether it was from Amberger or from somewhere else, but I recall a deadly duel where an accomplished German duelist (duels of non-lethal variety) was challenged by a known ruffian. They clashed, where the thug took insane risks and was stabbed multiple times by a rapier, but was able to close in and grapple, and stab the poor man repeatedly with a dagger in all the vital areas. . . A case of adrenaline and street thuggery overpowering a far more skilled man with ample experiences in sparring and worse (duels where blood was drawn).

Understand I'm not advocating or suggesting these as substitute for skill or sparring experience, as they're too unpredictable, but only that mind can be a powerful tool and teh streetz experience cannot be summarily dismissed as BS. Of course, I'm not suggesting Mr. Webre is anything but bullshido but I would not discount someone automatically for having no formal MA experience, if he has a real, legitimate street experience (as opposed to Mr. Webre's imagined tough guy).

JohnnyCache
2/01/2005 4:39am,
I think Franco lives in his home town . . .and to be fair, while a POS, he isn't even really in the same POS league as weber...at least Franco could run for a while when he started to lose...

Jostein
2/01/2005 2:01pm,
From what i have heard,Dan Webre is a legit fighter.

Wounded Ronin
2/01/2005 2:09pm,
In all fairness, IMO experience and/or naked aggression can make up for the lack of skills and polish. There is a great book by a historian/Western martial artist named Amberger, called "Men of Iron" that details this very phenomenon --many skilled, veteran duelists/Olympic athletes/dojo warriors/full-contact sparring MAists got their asses handed to them by, for the lack of better words, thugs and hoodlums. By people unskilled or learned in any formal MA. I'm not talking about men who never sparred, but people who sparred or dueled regularly. These veteran athletes and martial artists essentially panicked and lost to thugs in what amounted to life and death fights.


Well, sure, if someone is ferocious and murderous they're always dangerous. In the context of Dan Webre, a video tape isn't going to give that to anyone.




I may be confusing books, whether it was from Amberger or from somewhere else, but I recall a deadly duel where an accomplished German duelist (duels of non-lethal variety) was challenged by a known ruffian. They clashed, where the thug took insane risks and was stabbed multiple times by a rapier, but was able to close in and grapple, and stab the poor man repeatedly with a dagger in all the vital areas. . . A case of adrenaline and street thuggery overpowering a far more skilled man with ample experiences in sparring and worse (duels where blood was drawn).


Or it's just what happens when you get rushed by a man with a knife. It's common knowledge that ideally if you shoot a man with a knife you want to be behind some kind of barrier or far away enough that he can't run up and stab you in spite of having been shot. This is a known issue, in effect.

I would argue that if the duelist wasn't prepared to deal with the simple and well known scenario of a man with a knife making a suicidal attack, his experience and knowledge was probably very limited to a narrow band of competitive fencing type situations. This is because, as I said, the dangers of a suicidal man with a knife at close range are very well known already.



Understand I'm not advocating or suggesting these as substitute for skill or sparring experience, as they're too unpredictable, but only that mind can be a powerful tool and teh streetz experience cannot be summarily dismissed as BS. Of course, I'm not suggesting Mr. Webre is anything but bullshido but I would not discount someone automatically for having no formal MA experience, if he has a real, legitimate street experience (as opposed to Mr. Webre's imagined tough guy).

If someone just wants to kill you or jack you up, they can just hit you with a brick or shoot you in the head while you're occupied with something. This works pretty well even if they have no MA experience. So, you are right, but I would also say that this is pretty obvious.

TylerDurden
2/01/2005 2:20pm,
And where did you hear that?

JKDChick
2/01/2005 2:27pm,
From what i have heard,Dan Webre is a legit fighter.

Care to elaborate on that, sweetheart?

And I would fight Webre. I'll make a bet that I have just enough skill and sheer stubborn-ness, coupled with the fact that I'm 165 and an athlete to **** his **** up. Weapons, empty-hand, whatever.