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BJJ Grappler
2/04/2003 5:57am,
I have a problem, I am a white belt in BJJ, I am 15, 5'8 and 121 lbs, All the other members of the school are full grown men, the shortest and lightest member of the school(there are only like 6 of us) and I can't tap anybody. I'm really good at defending submission but I can't tap anybody, I get tapped about once a class. What should I do?

SLJ
2/04/2003 6:01am,
First thing is to stop worrying about tapping anyone, just keep going and it will come.

Being small you will be forced to use more technique, this will help you improve faster.

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DanSevering
2/04/2003 7:00am,
I agree; you need to change your focus from outcome to mastery, i.e. don't worry about tapping, but just concentrate on learning the entire style and techniques inside and out, and how to apply them properly; just work on that, and let the tapping take care of itself-- which it will; getting obsessed with control will just frustrate you, so you just have to relax and learn to "swim" with what works.
Also if you can defend well, eventually the other guy will tire himself out; I worked so hard at defense that I actually had teenage girls tapping me because I literally wouldn't move a finger, so that I could learn defense without expending effort while they were climbing all over me.

Likewise, the trick in grappling isn't about learning holds, so much as learning to apply them to a resisting person, while at the same time watching for their strategy and formulating your own counter-strategy to best take advantage of it.

If you can get away getting tapped only about once per session, you're in good shape; I was 240 lbs and a nearly invincible wrestler, but I got tapped countless times per session at first since I NEVER relied on strength (even against those who did), and I didn't know the techniques. Once I learned the theory behind the techniques so well that I could practically apply them in my sleep, and innovate new techniques, it wasn't even a contest anymore.
Also I NEVER wanted to work with people who were less experienced, since you learn nothing and they're more likely to injure you. If you're only getting tapped about once a class, then they're probably being fair; however if you think they're taking advantage of your size and lack of experience, then find another school ASAP.

Finally, realize that when you enter that dojo, you agree to leave your own glorification outside; that's why there's no dishonor in tapping out. One of the main rules in JJ is "don't kill yourself trying to beat a certain opponent; if you cannot beat him, you cannot beat him."
I'm about the least patient person there is, so I know what you're going through; if you start getting frustrated, spend more time alone working on the holds by yourself. It can take a long time, but once you have it down pat, you'll have an invicible arsenal of holds and moves that you can apply to your strategies.

Gezere
2/04/2003 7:39am,
>What should I do?

Stop crying and do some pushups!!!

>I am a white belt in BJJ

Uhm do you expect to just walk in don a gi and then start tappin pple who have been doing it LONGER than you and have a physical advantage?

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rellik_yzarc
2/04/2003 8:09am,
asia is right, do some push ups and pull ups.
try putting more weight on keylocks, dont just push with your arms. work on getting flexible hips for the armbars from the guard.
hope this helps

"said and done"

Deadpan Scientist
2/04/2003 10:01am,
I actually had teenage girls tapping me ... so that I could learn defense without expending effort while they were climbing all over me.


Riiiiiight

PeedeeShaolin
2/04/2003 12:08pm,
Work the guard.

You're small so, chances are, your going to be put on your back. The guard has a MASSIVE amount of submissions and reversals. Against much larger guys practice keeping them within your guard. Make them WORK to escape, thats how opportunities for submissions and sweeps come about.

Blad3
2/04/2003 12:49pm,
I have the same problem, can only tap begginers ;/

Need to work on everything, espcially ground game.

good advice.

Omega Supreme
2/04/2003 2:29pm,
Push-ups? Pull ups? hmmm sounds like a lot of muscle building if you ask me. I don't thing Helio would smile at such training methods. Of course you're going to tap anybody in the beginning. Wake up to reality. You might go a whole year before you tap anybody. When you do though it'll be worth it. You should be proud that you can fight off the submission and build your confidence off that.

Go away I'm talking to myself

Boyd
2/04/2003 3:58pm,
Push-ups? Pull ups? hmmm sounds like a lot of muscle building if you ask me. I don't thing Helio would smile at such training methods.

I politely request that no one dignify that with a response.

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fragbot
2/04/2003 4:21pm,
I have a problem, I am a white belt in BJJ, I am 15, 5'8 and 121 lbs, All the other members of the school are full grown men, the shortest and lightest member of the school(there are only like 6 of us) and I can't tap anybody. I'm really good at defending submission but I can't tap anybody, I get tapped about once a class. What should I do?


If you only get tapped once/class, you must be doing alright.

Anyhow, I wouldn't worry about it. You're 15 and 120 lbs for chrissake. Y'all deserve respect for just being out there.

Man-strength is different than kid-strength. This is both a physical *and* mental thing. FWIW, this is why the concept of a 12 y/o sandan is just laughable.

Anyhow, echoing what others say, stick with it. By the time you're 19-20ish and you get some gains from maturity, you'll be well-served.

NOTE: since it's not clear you've had your growth spurt yet, I'd recommend taking especial care of your joints. A severe injury near a growth plate could have the unintended consequence of calcifying the end of the bone. When this happens, the growth of that bone is complete. I'm not sure, but I've always suspected this is part of the reason judo's kids competition doesn't allow arm bars.


Edited by - fragbot on February 04 2003 15:29:40

Omega Supreme
2/04/2003 5:14pm,
Boyd with all do respect I was pointing out that Helio is not a big fan of muscle developement over technique. I'm not saying he shouldn't do it but Gracie Jujitsu loves to sport that it is best for the smaller person. Read Helios interview in grappling magazine to see what I mean.

Go away I'm talking to myself

BJJ Grappler
2/04/2003 6:32pm,
[quote]

Uhm do you expect to just walk in don a gi and then start tappin pple who have been doing it LONGER than you and have a physical advantage?

No, the school is very new, everyone is a white belt.

FingerorMoon?
2/04/2003 6:36pm,
Look at it this way.

Its much harder to fight from defensive position when your smaller, than offensive when your bigger.

You'll contine to grow, but have the knowledge of how to defend against much larger opponents.



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Mr. Miyagi
2/08/2003 1:23am,
I have a problem, I am a white belt in BJJ, I am 15, 5'8 and 121 lbs, All the other members of the school are full grown men, the shortest and lightest member of the school(there are only like 6 of us) and I can't tap anybody. I'm really good at defending submission but I can't tap anybody, I get tapped about once a class. What should I do?


First of all.. shorten your name to bj cuz you are a fudgepacker......fifteen years old and you already like big black cock? Of course you can't tap...i mean "poke" anyone....with that 2 inch stump of yours it wont satisfy my turtle....thats right miyagi has a turtle.......you white belt? get black paint...and paint belt black....you are truuuuuuuuuuue blackbelt .....daniel son....you make my turtle proud! If you become truuuuuuue blackbelt and you would be smart to rape it and pleasure it.......name it donatello.........you get tapped once a class? by who???? Saddam Hussein!!!! just remember...........miyagi and his turtle are always watching you

Mr. Miyagi
2/08/2003 1:24am,
I have a problem, I am a white belt in BJJ, I am 15, 5'8 and 121 lbs, All the other members of the school are full grown men, the shortest and lightest member of the school(there are only like 6 of us) and I can't tap anybody. I'm really good at defending submission but I can't tap anybody, I get tapped about once a class. What should I do?


First of all.. shorten your name to bj cuz you are a fudgepacker......fifteen years old and you already like big black cock? Of course you can't tap...i mean "poke" anyone....with that 2 inch stump of yours it wont satisfy my turtle....thats right miyagi has a turtle.......you white belt? get black paint...and paint belt black....you are truuuuuuuuuuue blackbelt .....daniel son....you make my turtle proud! If you become truuuuuuue blackbelt and you would be smart to rape it and pleasure it.......name it donatello.........you get tapped once a class? by who???? Saddam Hussein!!!! just remember...........miyagi and his turtle are always watching you