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Xango
11/23/2004 3:33pm,
So, in ne waza randori, I've been working a lot on submissions from guard. As a result I have been pulling guard from the knees. Problem is, half the time I get passed on the way in, because I've been thinking of the guard pull as merely setting up the randori, whereas my partners, understandably, see it as an opportunity to pin me.

Any tips on this combat-useless and totally auxiliary skill? I'd rather just pull it than tell them I'm going to start in guard.

Aesopian
11/23/2004 3:45pm,
Pulling guard from knees against a resistant opponent helps you learn to recover guard and defend guard passes.

Aesopian
11/23/2004 3:50pm,
As for having trouble pulling guard, what are they doing that stops you?

Xango
11/23/2004 3:51pm,
Well, yes. Point taken. Tips? Grip, which leg to extend first, what?

Xango
11/23/2004 3:52pm,
As for having trouble pulling guard, what are they doing that stops you?

Passing? :happy7:

Mostly they're getting control of the leg I extend and going over the knee into scarf hold or side control.

WhiteShark
11/23/2004 3:53pm,
Try leaping at them like a Thai hooker then once they are wrapped up fall back and let them enter your embrace.

Aesopian
11/23/2004 3:56pm,
WhiteShark is correct. If you want the closed guard, I pull it like Thai hooker when your pimp is in town.

As for grips, for starters, just grab both lapels, leap and pull!

fernando
11/23/2004 3:57pm,
try different types of guard, closed guard, butterfly, go for sweeps etc.

Bang!
11/23/2004 3:58pm,
Grab their wrists?

And I assume that you will have considered this one already, but I'll toss it out anyway: Get their weight moving upward. If they're uprooted, then they shouldn't have enough stability to push your leg aside

JKDChick
11/23/2004 4:06pm,
Tried pulling it from just one knee? I've had a lot of success grabbing the label and falling backwards, kicking off the foot that's planted and using the momentum to pull them into my guard.

Did that make any sense?

Bang!
11/23/2004 4:08pm,
It's a modified Captain Kirk throw!

Aesopian
11/23/2004 4:09pm,
I'm going to venture to say that Xango is referring to "closed guard". But lately I've found myself pulling all sorts of open, butterfly, and spiders guards, after I had only been doing closed guard for months. I even managed to pull triangles, but everyone caught on to that.

I don't (yet) have any super science to this, I just grab wrist(s)/lapel(s)/behind the head/underhook(s)/overhook(s), and stick one or both feet on a knee(s)/hip(s)/elbow(s), etc. and go from there.

Aesopian
11/23/2004 4:11pm,
Whenever I get my competition footage, you'll all get to some some stellar guard pulling.

Xango
11/23/2004 4:28pm,
These are all good tips, JKDChick's especially. Keep 'em coming!

Yes, I am talking essentially about closed guard, which is even more useful in competition Judo than in BJJ. I'll work on other weird stuff when I get the hang of that.

Te No Kage!
11/23/2004 4:48pm,
In our ne waza class, I'll try to pull guard or go for top control about 50/50. I don't like to pull guard every single time, but I did learn a trick from the last time that Adriano Lucio was here. When rolling and starting from knees, I usually start with my knees pointing forward with my feet behind me. I noticed that everytime I rolled with Adriano he was always able to get right into an open guard (rubber, spider, butterfly, etc.). Anyways, I noticed that he always started in the same stance when rolling from knees. He would bring one foot up to the other knee so that he would be kneeling as if he was applying the triangle. I think this gave him more mobility so that he could spring forward or fall backward with equal speed. When I don't have my head in my ass, I try to do this sometimes and it works pretty good if you want to easily get into the guard. I find that the only important part of the upstairs portion is that you have gripped at least something and are pulling it in whether it be lapel, shoulder, or underhook.

TylerDurden
11/23/2004 4:53pm,
You can grip the lapels and put a foot on their hip as you fall back. The tension between your foot and the lapel pull lets you control their movement as you establish guard.