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shironinja
9/01/2004 2:31pm,
It's funny how on the news they are abreviating the USA's Republican National Convention as the RNC.

That's all.

PLUS it's amusing how the news is flooded with this convention stuff that really doesn't mean much to us (the rest of the world).

Does your two-party system really provide enough competition?

From what I've seen if I had to vote in the USA it would be a toss-up between which disliked party I hated just a little less.

TylerDurden
9/01/2004 2:37pm,
Basically that's how it goes. Who do you disliked the least.

And yea the RNC stuff always throws me. My first impulse is to think rear naked choke. So when the news comes on, about thousands involved with the RNC it sounds like a giant MMA seminar to me.

Gelid Light
9/01/2004 2:55pm,
It was nearly eleven hundred, and in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT, they were dragging the chairs out of the cubicles and grouping them in the centre of the hall opposite the big telescreen, in preparation for the Two Minutes Hate.

The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started. As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience.

The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor. All crimes, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, sprang directly out of his teaching.

Winston's diaphragm was constricted. He could never see the face of Goldstein without a painful mixture of emotions. It was a clever face, and yet somehow inherently despicable, with a kind of senile silliness. It resembled the face of a sheep, and the voice, too, had a sheep-like quality. Goldstein was delivering his usual venemous attack upon the doctrines of the Party - an attack so exaggerated and perverse that a child should have been able to see through it, and yet just plausible enough to fill one with an alarmed feeling that other people, less level-headed than oneself, might be taken in by it. He was advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought. And all the while, lest one should be in any doubt as to the reality which Goldstein's specious clap trap covered, behind his head on the telescreen there marched the endless columns of the army - row after row of solid-looking men with expressionless faces, who swam up to the surface of the screen and vanished, to be replaced by others exactly similar. The dull rhythmic tramp of the soldiers' boots formed the background to Goldstein's bleating voice.

Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room.

The self-satisfied sheep-like face on the screen, and the terrifying power of the army behind it, were too much to be borne: besides the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than anything else.


But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were - in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him.

In its second minute the Hate rose to a frenzy. People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen. In a lucid moment Winston found that he was shouting with the others and kicking his heel violently against the rung of his chair. The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic...

The Hate rose to its climax. The voice of Goldstein had become an actual sheep's bleat, and for an instant the face changed into that of a sheep. Then the sheep-face melted into the figure of a soldier who seemed to be advancing, huge and terrible, his sub-machine gun roaring, and seeming to spring out of the surface of the screen. But in the same moment, drawing a deep sigh of relief from everybody, the hostile figure melted into the face of BIG BROTHER...

Winston had heard the whispered story of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies, which circulated clandestinely here and there. It was a book without title. People referred to it, if at all, simply as the book. But one knew of such things only through vague rumours. Neither the Brotherhood nor the book was a subject that any ordinary Party member would mention if there was a way of avoiding it.

Deadpan Scientist
9/01/2004 5:16pm,
Gelid, please refrain from posting cut and pastes without any commentary, even if it's not a news article...

punchingdummy
9/01/2004 7:54pm,
Originally posted by shironinja
Does your two-party system really provide enough competition?

It's not the two party system as much as it is the primary process. Candidates in the primaries need to identify with the party base in order to get the nomination, and that almost always kills moderates. It's not that the party does not have moderates that a majority of the county could be satisfied with, but rather that the primaries prevent these choices from ever making it to the presidential election.

Jsun102
9/01/2004 7:58pm,
Big Dubya is watching you...

CaptShady
9/02/2004 7:55am,
The 2 party system exists because the American public allows it. If Perot hadn't quit like a pansy quittin' little bitch during the initial election of Bush vs. Clinton, he'd have been president, and things could have changed. I think it's pathetic to vote for the lesser of 2 evils .. that's just fucked up, and so NOT what this country was formed on.

As for the RNC .. Rudy's speech rocked! The governator's was good too, and that old fart, whatzisname. But other than that .. some lame, lame LAME speeches, with no energy, and barely any tonal fluctuations.

Matt W.
9/02/2004 8:05am,
Shady, I wasn't able to watch. Any place on the net where you can get transcripts?