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Admin-Temp
12/07/2002 12:36am,
권법에 대한 기본원리와 수련법, 그리고 각종 권법에 담긴 미학을 논하는 자리입니다. 권법은 맨손무예로써 병장기를 배우고 익히는 기초가 되며, 그 자체로도 몸과 마음을 수양하는 완결된 구조를 갖고 있습니다.


:: 비속어 사용, 광고가 포함된 게시글은 사전 통보 없이 삭제되오니양해해주시면 고맙겠습니다.
▶삭제원칙 자세히 보기▶실명제 전환에 따른 게시판 사용▶공동구매 게시판으로 가기



Which, using my awesome language skills (ok, I used babelfish.altavista.com), I translated to say:

"It is a place which discusses the aesthetics which is put in in the basic principle against a Korean boxing and the practice law and various Korean boxing. The Korean boxing with empty hand martial arts learns the sergeant flag and becomes the foundation which it learns, it cultivates mind the body and a mind it has the structure which is completed even with that form. Vulgarity e the notice writing where the use and advertisement are contained when advance notification be without eliminated ni understanding it does as a favor. * Elimination principle attitude it sees, * with the notice board use * joint it follows in loss of eyesight my conversion purchase notice board good season "

I got the main gist of it, but is there annyone here that can actually speak Korean so we'll know for sure?

Kungfoolss
12/07/2002 12:43am,
Query: Why do many Korean's have to reek of garlic, don't they understand how unpleasant their body odor is to the rest of humanity?

Kungfoolss, Scourge of the theory-based stylists, Most Feared man at Mcdojo.com, and the Preeminent Force in the martial arts political arena

http://forums.delphiforums.com/testing12345703/start

JKDChick
12/07/2002 1:35am,
Goodness me, Kungfoolss, you are an asshole, aren't you?

"I'm not tense; just terribly, terribly alert."

Edited by - JKDChick on December 07 2002 00:36:04

Kato
12/07/2002 1:37am,
I'll take blatant racism for twenty please Bob....

rellik_yzarc
12/07/2002 1:56am,
Damn, thanks for the unfound scientific discovery.
Maybe you want to go to some other type of forum to discuss this.

"said and done"

The Wastrel
12/07/2002 2:02am,
Admin: I translated the relevant portion of this for you. I did it on the fly, and I speak Korean as a non-native, but this is definitely better than the Babel fish. Translation follows:

A site where the aesthetics of each fighting art, and the basic principles and training methods of the fighting arts, are discussed. Through empty-hand martial arts one can learn about one’s strong and weak points as you develop a strong foundation, through that one can obtain a complete structure allowing the healthy cultivation of heart and body.


Note:there is NO mention of Korea or any other country in the original text. For some strange reason babelfish tranlsates Gwon-Bob as Korean martial arts. It translates literally as "fist method". That doesn't sound like Korean martial arts to me. The second half is just your standard bulletin board reminders against the use of profanity, advertising etc.

The Wastrel
12/07/2002 2:05am,
You know, I defended Kungfoolss on another thread (where I also pointed out that calling in air strikes is not a martial art). Now that I've gotten to know a little more about him, I think I'll just be ignoring him from now on. I don't think Koreans smell like garlic. Maybe living in Seoul for a year and half wasn't enough exposure. I'm sure he knows a lot more about Koreans than I do.

blueskycomplex
12/07/2002 2:14am,
Ok, it just says Mcdojo is a site where martial artists can discuss theirs arts.....I was hoping that the koreans where upset with the constant bashing of tkd, and they were planning to come and kick all our ass. Maybe they were going to show us some "real" TKD, the stuff no one knows about but exists in a few remote places in the world.

The Wastrel
12/07/2002 2:25am,
Actually most Koreans I know think Tae Kwon Do is pretty useless, impractical and a Japanese import to boot. They like winning gold medals in the sport, though. Other than that, only kids in Korea even bother. There's a great scene in a great movie called "Cheat King". A guy is tormented by his boss, who is constantly putting him into headlocks. He goes to a TKD school and is met by an instructor in a NECK BRACE! He asks the guy how to break a headlock. The guy is teetering around in the brace and shows him all these ridiculous things that hinge on avoiding the lock entirely and kicking the guy in the head. When he persists, the TKD guy lets him put him in a headlock and then complains it's too tight. Great movie.

blueskycomplex
12/07/2002 2:40am,
HAHAHA!! LOL! That sounds like a good movie, I'll have to see if I can find that one.

The Wastrel
12/07/2002 2:46am,
It's Korean and the title is Banchik Wang. You can get it from dvdasian.com

dumbass
12/07/2002 3:21am,
"It is a place which discusses the aesthetics which is put in in the basic principle against a Korean boxing and the practice law and various Korean boxing. The Korean boxing with empty hand martial arts learns the sergeant flag and becomes the foundation which it learns, it cultivates mind the body and a mind it has the structure which is completed even with that form. Vulgarity e the notice writing where the use and advertisement are contained when advance notification be without eliminated ni understanding it does as a favor. * Elimination principle attitude it sees, * with the notice board use * joint it follows in loss of eyesight my conversion purchase notice board good season "

" 한국 권투및 연습 법률및 각종 한국 권투향하여의 기본 원리 안에 안으로 두는 감성론을 토론하는 장소 이다. 빈 손 martial 예술에 한국 권투는 상사 깃발을 학습하고 학습하는 기초에, 그것 경작한다 저 모양에 조차완료되는 구조를 갖는 마 음을 본체및 마음을 된다. Vulgarity e 진보적인 통보가 그것 을 이해할 삭제하는 ni없이 있을 때 곳에 사용및 광고가 포함되 는 고시 쓰기가 호의으로서 하는. * 제거 원리 태도 그것은 보 는, * 고시 널 사용에 * 합동 시력의 손실안에 나의 변환 구입 고시 널 좋은 절기가 " 따르는

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
DUMBASS

rmclain
12/07/2002 4:48am,
Hello everyone,

After WWII, Chinese Chuan-fa was introduced into Korea, and the Koreans called it by the Korean translation, "Kwon Bup." That name was really only used for a short time in Korea, as most schools preferred to call their arts either "Kong Soo Do" or "Tang Soo Do," - before the name, "Taekwondo" was adopted.

The Wastrel is correct about "kwon bup" not being originally Korean.

The same thing in Japanese would be translated as, "Kempo."

R. McLain

The Wastrel
12/07/2002 3:58pm,
Well, having dabbled in Mandarain Chinese, I was aware that Chuan-Fa and Gwon Bob correspond to the same Chinese characters. Whether or not Gwon Bob ever referred to Chinese Chuan Fa is another matter entirely. If you say it did, I believe you. Today it's used with modifiers to indicate all different forms of unarmed fighting. So they would say Jungguk ay Gwon Bob (Chinese Martial Arts) or Taeguk ay Gwon Bob (Thai). Gwon Bob carries the suggestion though of referring more specifically to fist based fighting like boxing. For arts that are more thoroughly rooted in ritual and tradition they use Musool.

rmclain
12/08/2002 12:34am,
Hello Wastrel,

One of my senior Grandmasters, Byung In-Yoon, grew up in Manchuria, after his family fled the Japanese invasion in 1910. He was allowed to study Chuan-fa at a Shaolin temple near Shanghai, beginning in the 1920's. In the 1930's he traveled to Japan to study "Colonial Rule" at Nihon University. There he met and exchanged knowledge with Kanken Toyama at his school called, "Shudokan." Toyama sensei recognized Byung-In Yoon as a fourth dan, second only to Toyama at that time.

Byung_in Yoon returned to Korea at the end of WWII, and helped re-introduce martial arts into Korea, but he was the only one at that time teaching chuan-fa. The others were mostly karate. He prefered to call his art "Kwon Bup" or "Kwon Bup MuDo," to show his chuan-fa education.

One of Byung-In Yoon's students, Lee Nam-Sok founded the Chang Moo Kwan dojang, which was one of the five major dojangs in South Korea during the 1940's & 1950's. But, it was the only dojang with the Chinese Chuan-fa influence.

Luckily, my teacher did not give-in to the push to unify Korean martial arts under the banner of Taekwondo in the 1950's & 60's, and instead preserved the Chuan-fa techniques and forms, in addition to the karate of Toyama, even though there were lots of name calling and shouts of "traitor" for doing so.

R. McLain

The Wastrel
12/08/2002 1:06am,
I'm glad I trusted you to be correct rmclain. Your explanation also gibes with my first hand knowledge of Korean attitudes about the martial art.
Osiris, are you talking to me? When did I ever say TKD was Chinese?