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battlefields
11/12/2018 9:01pm,
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Not sure if anyone can read this, I'll transcribe in case:


"I love how people say "BJJ is built around respect and honor".
No it's not!
It's built around savage Brazilians kicking the **** out of people just because they could. Storming gyms of other martial arts and fighting their instructors just to show how superior BJJ was. And while I think that's fucking awesome, it's not a fairytale you guys tell about respect and honor. This sport is built around real men who didn't give a **** and took what they wanted."
- Gordon Ryan.


It came up in my Facebook feed (can't attribute to a page, nor can guarantee he said it) and I thought it interesting on many levels. It is a statement that I both agree and disagree with.

From my perspective, being a hardnosed bastard, I think that storming martial arts gyms and fighting the instructors is indeed honorable and showing respect. They were essentially doing what this website was designed to do, out frauds and advocate for the best training possible. Is there anything more noble than destroying conmen and shedding light on a truth? This is why I disagree.

But, like this website, there is egos involved with individuals and in saying that, this is where I agree with the statement. Individuals might have dojo-stormed and beat the **** out of people because they were cunts.

It seems to also not take into account that dojo storming was not something that the Brazilians made up out of thin air, it's virtually enshrined in Kung Fu mythology and while I'm not as well versed on the Japanese martial arts history, I'm pretty damn sure it happened there too.

But yeah, it ain't a fairytale, but life ain't a fairytale, and I also don't think that anyone in real martial arts thinks of real fighting like a fairytale, so it depends on where you personally land in regards to what constitutes respect and honor in your ethical and moral code.

What say you?

Dr. Gonzo
11/12/2018 9:06pm,
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From my perspective, being a hardnosed bastard, I think that storming martial arts gyms and fighting the instructors is indeed honorable and showing respect.
Beating up people who cannot fight is not always honorable.

Fine line between exposing fraud and just beating people up.

I say this as someone who came up where we accepted challenges for real fights from whomever came through the door requesting a test of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, and I have the dental work of a hockey player.

BKR
11/12/2018 9:37pm,
17986

Not sure if anyone can read this, I'll transcribe in case:



It came up in my Facebook feed (can't attribute to a page, nor can guarantee he said it) and I thought it interesting on many levels. It is a statement that I both agree and disagree with.

From my perspective, being a hardnosed bastard, I think that storming martial arts gyms and fighting the instructors is indeed honorable and showing respect. They were essentially doing what this website was designed to do, out frauds and advocate for the best training possible. Is there anything more noble than destroying conmen and shedding light on a truth? This is why I disagree.

But, like this website, there is egos involved with individuals and in saying that, this is where I agree with the statement. Individuals might have dojo-stormed and beat the **** out of people because they were cunts.

It seems to also not take into account that dojo storming was not something that the Brazilians made up out of thin air, it's virtually enshrined in Kung Fu mythology and while I'm not as well versed on the Japanese martial arts history, I'm pretty damn sure it happened there too.

But yeah, it ain't a fairytale, but life ain't a fairytale, and I also don't think that anyone in real martial arts thinks of real fighting like a fairytale, so it depends on where you personally land in regards to what constitutes respect and honor in your ethical and moral code.

What say you?

I say that just because one person can beat up another, doesn't make the martial art/way/combat sport the winner practices superior to that of the loser.

Bunch of stupid, uneducated, fascist Brazilian jocks beating up an Aikido instructor doesn't prove anything.

Michael Tzadok
11/12/2018 10:30pm,
I follow GR on twitter and Instagram and that quote has never come through my feed. Just spent some time hunting for it and I can't find it. Need to see a source or I'm gonna call BS.

Dr. Gonzo
11/12/2018 10:36pm,
I follow GR on twitter and Instagram
Bwahaha.

You're a fanboy.

battlefields
11/12/2018 11:01pm,
https://www.facebook.com/jiujitsumaps/

Screenshot in case they get called out by him for Fake News:

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Raycetpfl
11/13/2018 9:52am,
Bunch of stupid, uneducated, fascist Brazilian jocks beating up an Aikido instructor doesn't prove anything.

Grey area. For an experiment to be good it needs a large sample size. A fight proves very little. 100 fights can prove a lot more.

Rorion,Saulo Ribero and Maia all have law degrees. They are educated fascists.

BKR
11/13/2018 10:39am,
Grey area. For an experiment to be good it needs a large sample size. A fight proves very little. 100 fights can prove a lot more.

Rorion,Saulo Ribero and Maia all have law degrees. They are educated fascists.

Brazilian law degrees...

I threw in the uneducated for exaggeration, had no idea of the realz.

Raycetpfl
11/13/2018 11:33am,
Brazilian law degrees...

I threw in the uneducated for exaggeration, had no idea of the realz.

They are important , learned men who's offices smell of leather bound books.

Devil
11/13/2018 1:17pm,
Well, first....Gordon Ryan is cringy as ****. He’s obnoxious and acts like a retarded teenager. He’s also a fucking winner, so yin and yang or some ****.

I don’t know if he’s responsible for the quote or not. Doesn’t really matter. The quote is true. BJJ was borne of competitiveness, not some silly idea about jiu jitsu for everyone like you hear about now.

I think it’s productive for people who practice fake martial arts to be humiliated. It’s especially productive for the humiliated party, if they choose to learn from the experience.

However, there’s no doubt that the Gracies did some things that were just straight up dick moves. Like the video online of them going into a Judo club and acting like assholes by refusing to play by the rules of Judo. That’s just fucking stupid. If you want to have challenge matches, go for it. But you don’t need to walk into somebody’s judo class and **** on it by refusing to do Judo.

Raycetpfl
11/13/2018 1:27pm,
Well, first....Gordon Ryan is cringy as ****. Heís obnoxious and acts like a retarded teenager. Heís also a fucking winner, so yin and yang or some ****.

I donít know if heís responsible for the quote or not. Doesnít really matter. The quote is true. BJJ was borne of competitiveness, not some silly idea about jiu jitsu for everyone like you hear about now.

I think itís productive for people who practice fake martial arts to be humiliated. Itís especially productive for the humiliated party, if they choose to learn from the experience.

However, thereís no doubt that the Gracies did some things that were just straight up dick moves. Like the video online of them going into a Judo club and acting like assholes by refusing to play by the rules of Judo. Thatís just fucking stupid. If you want to have challenge matches, go for it. But you donít need to walk into somebodyís judo class and **** on it by refusing to do Judo.
Hes not like that in person by all accounts. Murphy knows him I believe.
That shits his war face. Thee dichotomy of man and what not.

Dr. Gonzo
11/13/2018 1:33pm,
Hes not like that in person by all accounts. Murphy knows him I believe.
That shits his war face. Thee dichotomy of man and what not.
He is a very competitive young man,

grinding out a living in a very competitive profession.

He has ego, but he seems to be able to back it up.

DCS
11/13/2018 1:41pm,
I think the upcoming documentary on BJJ's history by Drysdale will be... entertaining.

Devil
11/13/2018 1:58pm,
Hes not like that in person by all accounts. Murphy knows him I believe.
That shits his war face. Thee dichotomy of man and what not.

Maybe not. I know there are stories of him acting like a giant asshole at some of his seminars. And Iíve heard the opposite. Iíve also heard that his seminars are shitty. And awesome.

So, who the **** knows? Regardless, he looks like a dickhead on social media.

Michael Tzadok
11/13/2018 2:04pm,
Well, first....Gordon Ryan is cringy as ****. Heís obnoxious and acts like a retarded teenager. Heís also a fucking winner, so yin and yang or some ****.
So was Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan, but the show drew interest. Difference being those were fixed fights, and Ryans(supposedly) aren't. I say supposedly because his current promotion is tied pretty heavily to the Russian Mafia and I can't see them not fixing fights.


I donít know if heís responsible for the quote or not.
So far its only source is a meme being spread around the internet. I'm not given to believe memes. There are memes that would have me believe that Steven Spielberg went on a safari for a dinosaur. I think the people that believed that one are just as silly as the people that believe this one.

Doesnít really matter.
It does in that honor and respect should be a part of any competitive art. Especially one in which you are peforming potentially crippling and lethal techniques. For sure in practice, and even to a degree in competition. **** talking may put butts in seats and sell PPVs, however, when that turns into bad sportsmanship it becomes dangerous.


The quote is true. BJJ was borne of competitiveness, not some silly idea about jiu jitsu for everyone like you hear about now.
Funny. Dan Gable has been saying for 30+ years that wrestling is for everyone. Not everyone is going to be a high level competitor. However, everyone can benefit from the serious life lessons that can be learned from wrestling or BJJ. This generation that has people have mental break downs because some rando they've never met on the internet said mean things about them... A few more of them could use to be tossed to the mat and manhandled for a few years until they learn to suck up discomfort and even pain to overcome their situation. They would be a lot more mentally fit for life. In that respect, yes it is for everyone.


I think itís productive for people who practice fake martial arts to be humiliated. Itís especially productive for the humiliated party, if they choose to learn from the experience.
I have no comment on this.


However, thereís no doubt that the Gracies did some things that were just straight up dick moves. Like the video online of them going into a Judo club and acting like assholes by refusing to play by the rules of Judo. Thatís just fucking stupid. If you want to have challenge matches, go for it. But you donít need to walk into somebodyís judo class and **** on it by refusing to do Judo.
It was marketing. It wasn't great marketing. It wasn't nice marketing, but it was marketing. Most people have come to their senses and realized that BJJ isn't the be all end all of grappling.

Michael Tzadok
11/13/2018 2:18pm,
Maybe not. I know there are stories of him acting like a giant asshole at some of his seminars. And Iíve heard the opposite. Iíve also heard that his seminars are shitty. And awesome.

So, who the **** knows? Regardless, he looks like a dickhead on social media.

The "asshole" claim was that he would not allow people to film him demonstrating the technique and giving the "Danaher" explanation of technique. Mostly because, 1 that was how they were making their money at the time, and 2 they were planning their own cringy video series. So when he caught a club videoing him he demanded that they shut off the camera and delete what they had recorded. When they refused, he walked out, and refused refunds. In fairness to him the club owner did sign a contract that specifically forbade filming of him and which stated breach of contract would result in immediate termination of the seminar without refund.

Him(and Danaher) their seminars give good information, if you can suffer through the patronizing tone of them acting like they made this stuff up. I did a leg lock seminar with them, and I noticed it a little bit, but didn't think much of it. When I watched their video on front headlocks though and basically saw Danaher parroting things you can find on Cael Sanderson, Dave Schultz and Dan Gable videos from 15 and 25 years ago respectively and basically acting like he made this stuff up I was thoroughly disgusted. Again not that it isn't good information, Cael Sanderson got an Olympic medal off of it(well so did everyone in that list). Mark Schultz has been teaching it at Pedro Sauer's place for 25yrs(round about). Like their leg lock system, it isn't revolutionary, he is a stripped down, very basic version of it, that Danaher acts like he is a genius for figuring out. True story, the front headlocks... I can teach it better. Mark Schultz would give you a master class and his seminar prices are a third of Ryan's or Danaher's(just saying).