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BKR
10/23/2018 12:07pm,
I wanted to get this out of the TSPT so we might be able to seriously discuss the situation.

All joking aside regarding canals, A-10s, tactical nukes, cluster munitions, etc.

Background and current situation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/why-mexico-isnt-stopping-the-migrant-caravan/2018/10/22/0a10c886-d608-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.83d5e9a24615



I posted earlier that I was suspicious of the timing of the whole thing, and wondered who had organized it with such interesting timing (US Mid-term elections).

Well, lo and behold...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/guatemala-has-detained-a-former-honduran-lawmaker-traveling-with-the-migrant-caravan-heading-toward-the-united-states/2018/10/16/46f750a6-d182-11e8-a4db-184311d27129_story.html?utm_term=.d1f8eeec3cfd

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/23/migrant-caravan-president-trump-mexico-us-mexico-border-immigration-central-america-honduras/1736274002/

So Mexico apparently did stop some of them.

Mexican and U.N. officials, according to the latest figures provided publicly by the Mexican government, has sent 640 migrants to the National Institute of Migration because they were interested in “seeking refuge” in Mexico. About 500 were assisted in voluntarily returning to Honduras and Guatemala. Another 1,000 are being repatriated to Guatemala. About 900 migrants who tried to illegally enter Mexico will also be deported to their home countries.

Direct from Mexican government as sourced in USA Today.
https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/ayuda-humanitaria-una-de-las-prioridades-en-la-atencion-a-migrantes-centroamericanos?idiom=es

http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/index.html

I don't think that threatening El Salvador, Guatemala, et al., with loss of foreign aid is the best solution to this issue.

Just for example:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/resources/reports/child-labor/guatemala

DCS
10/23/2018 12:26pm,
I posted earlier that I was suspicious of the timing of the whole thing, and wondered who had organized it with such interesting timing (US Mid-term elections).

Pueblo sin Fronteras supports and helps but denies having organized this one.

BKR
10/23/2018 12:38pm,
Pueblo sin Fronteras supports and helps but denies having organized this one.

Yeah, I think I found the other "suspect" shortly after that. I'm curious as to his ties to any US "immigrant rights" types of organizations. If any...

Permalost
10/23/2018 1:43pm,
I feel like if the US government doesn't make a show of force, the armed antimigrant militia groups will, and they're more likely to start shooting.

Bneterasedmynam
10/23/2018 1:56pm,
I feel like if the US government doesn't make a show of force, the armed antimigrant militia groups will, and they're more likely to start shooting.

Any **** up on that scale would have some pretty severe political consequences though. But honestly I don't know if those political consequences would swing right or left.

BKR
10/23/2018 3:47pm,
I feel like if the US government doesn't make a show of force, the armed anti-migrant militia groups will, and they're more likely to start shooting.

5,000 to 7,000 people is a lot to try to stop. I seriously doubt if they did start shooting, they would get away with it.

The caravan is still a long way from the border, HUIXTLA, Mexico to be exact. 40-plus 12 hour days of walking.

I'm wondering what their plan is to get into the US. That's too many people to hide trying to cross illegally, and would totally overwhelm any particular border crossing. Even if the US was willing to let them in, normal processing takes a while.

BKR
10/23/2018 3:48pm,
Any **** up on that scale would have some pretty severe political consequences though. But honestly I don't know if those political consequences would swing right or left.

There is plenty of time to put a plan in place, it's a long walk from Huixtla, Chiapas, Mexico, to the US border.

BKR
10/23/2018 3:51pm,
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BKR
10/24/2018 11:05am,
Pueblo sin Fronteras supports and helps but denies having organized this one.

Apparently they did help organize the one before, though. Their leader got arrested in Mexico as well.
https://www.apnews.com/24f4cd7436dc4abb93a3902cea13154d

Diesel_tke
10/24/2018 12:07pm,
5,000 to 7,000 people is a lot to try to stop. I seriously doubt if they did start shooting, they would get away with it.

The caravan is still a long way from the border, HUIXTLA, Mexico to be exact. 40-plus 12 hour days of walking.

I'm wondering what their plan is to get into the US. That's too many people to hide trying to cross illegally, and would totally overwhelm any particular border crossing. Even if the US was willing to let them in, normal processing takes a while.

****, that's a long walk. So, does anyone know what they are eating? I would imagine them needing new clothes and shoes after living like that.

BKR
10/24/2018 1:15pm,
****, that's a long walk. So, does anyone know what they are eating? I would imagine them needing new clothes and shoes after living like that.

From what I've read, nobody has mentioned any organized support. AP reports that Mexican citizens are at times giving them rides, food, water. I mean, there are women pushing baby strollers...we all know how much attention babies need...formula, diapers, butt-wipes, etc.

I haven't seen any real investigative reporting, yet. Embedded reporters are kind of rah-rah-ing the whole thing along.

Mexico has asked the UN for assistance...

submessenger
10/24/2018 2:13pm,
From what I've read, nobody has mentioned any organized support. AP reports that Mexican citizens are at times giving them rides, food, water. I mean, there are women pushing baby strollers...we all know how much attention babies need...formula, diapers, butt-wipes, etc.

I haven't seen any real investigative reporting, yet. Embedded reporters are kind of rah-rah-ing the whole thing along.

Mexico has asked the UN for assistance...

Up to 14k, now, according to some reports.

Odd that we haven't heard of anyone dying along the way. Oh, wait, here's one: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-caravan-pauses-in-huixtla-mexico-honoring-man-who-died/

Kravbizarre
10/25/2018 3:39am,
I saw a video today but i dont think its credidble as i havent verified the claims but it had a few worded quotes from pence saying the caravan is funded by venezuela. But that sounds retarded because venezuela is undergoing civil unrest and the country is more or less bankrupt.

submessenger
10/25/2018 7:34am,
I saw a video today but i dont think its credidble as i havent verified the claims but it had a few worded quotes from pence saying the caravan is funded by venezuela. But that sounds retarded because venezuela is undergoing civil unrest and the country is more or less bankrupt.

There's a couple things to understand, there. Venezuela may not have the money, but certain Venezuelans do. Venezuela has more oil than pretty much every other geographic region on earth. They started OPEC, for cricket's sake.

Without devolving into a discussion about Venezuelan politics, let me just say that I don't really understand *why* they would fund the caravan, so it seems implausible to me, at this time. But, they certainly *could* fund the caravan.

ghost55
10/25/2018 9:29am,
There's a couple things to understand, there. Venezuela may not have the money, but certain Venezuelans do. Venezuela has more oil than pretty much every other geographic region on earth. They started OPEC, for cricket's sake.

Without devolving into a discussion about Venezuelan politics, let me just say that I don't really understand *why* they would fund the caravan, so it seems implausible to me, at this time. But, they certainly *could* fund the caravan.

I understand why. Venezuela has recently been engaging in some insane saber-rattling, making claims that their army is ready to fight the U.S. This could be a relatively cheap move to destabilize the U.S and create unrest. And also possibly some sort of weird vengeace for Chavez, who claimed he got cancer as a result of being poisoned by the CIA.

BackFistMonkey
10/25/2018 10:30am,
This could be a relatively cheap move to destabilize the U.S and create unrest.

I can think of cheaper, more effective and direct ways.

Like using to cyber warfare to help maintain and even help install corrupt, morally deficient and highly compromised politicians in positions in our government.