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CaptShady
5/25/2004 11:14am,
What is it? Has anyone fighting the primary style of Shuai-Chiao fought in the UFC? How'd he do?

El Tejon
5/25/2004 11:47am,
Type of Mongolian/Chinese 'rasslin'. 4 main categories/variations of sut gao (shia chiao).

I know of no participation in the UFC; others may.

Djimbe
5/25/2004 11:52am,
http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/SC_introduction_1.WMV

http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/SC_introduction_2.WMV

http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/SC_introduction_3.WMV

http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/SC_introduction_4.WMV

http://emptyflower.stanford.edu/video/SC_introduction_5.WMV

A brief Explanation of Shuai Chiao (Shuaijiao) and some viewing of its Practice/training Methods .

Jenfucius
5/25/2004 12:38pm,
it just means wrestling in chinese. there's many regional variations. in america often it refers to schools coming out of taiwan. in china, it's quite popular in the north, with a lot in beijing. in my teacher's home province of shanxi everyone wrestles and champions from each village challenge each other. shanxi is no-gi, beijing wrestling uses a jacket.

Muffdiver
5/25/2004 4:13pm,
Shuai chiao in MY OPINION is one of the least chinese styles of self defense that is extremely effective. I had a real good Northern Shaolin ( long fist ) instructor that had a hard on for Shuai Chiao. He taught extensive moves in our curriculum that to this day stays with me. He admired JJJ and Judo...however I remember he stated that JJJ and Judo had its disadvantage due to the fact they those styles teach you to fall with your opponent when you grapple...albeit not always, but MOST of the time. Shuai Chiao differs in 2 major ways.

1) They teach you to grab with your fingertips...not with your whole hand. In this way you develop a better grip in controlling your opponent via grabbing muscle or bone NOT GI'S or clothing that in real life might rip.

2) When SC'ers throw you, they tend to keep standing and are very proficient in twisting the opponents in 3 different directions at the same time to maximise the throw.

Also the twisting of the waist and drills related to S.C. teaches you extreme power. If you have an opportunity to try it...DO IT....pending of course that the guy knows what he teaching and that its NOT Bullshit.

Shaman
5/25/2004 4:45pm,
Shuai Chiao can be devastating if taught by knowledgeable instructors.

Antagony
5/25/2004 6:00pm,
Sounds cool . . . but I want to hear good things about it from people who aren't possible nutriders.

mikus
5/25/2004 6:05pm,
Originally posted by Muffdiver
He admired JJJ and Judo...however I remember he stated that JJJ and Judo had its disadvantage due to the fact they those styles teach you to fall with your opponent when you grapple...albeit not always, but MOST of the time.


That's just plain wrong. Classically, you stay standing when doing the vast majority of judo throws (except for sacrifice throws). You go to the ground with the person because

a.) It's not easy to throw a skilled grappler while staying standing. You throw all your body weight into it.

b.) It allows you to move directly into a controlling ground position (mostly side control or kesa gatame or knee on belly).



1) They teach you to grab with your fingertips...not with your whole hand. In this way you develop a better grip in controlling your opponent via grabbing muscle or bone NOT GI'S or clothing that in real life might rip.


That is just ridiculous. Grabbing with the fingertips is just plain weaker. I wouldn't be suprised if some strong bastard was able to do it to someone much lighter than them, but it is ALWAYS weaker than a grab with the hand (excluding the index finger).

Freddy
5/25/2004 6:08pm,
It all depends on the instructor and regional style.

Djimbe
5/25/2004 6:30pm,
Originally posted by Antagony
Sounds cool . . . but I want to hear good things about it from people who aren't possible nutriders.

Look at the Vids I posted , then judge for yourself

JBliss
5/25/2004 6:46pm,
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8144&perpage=15&highlight=shuai%20chiao&pagenumber=5

I studied SC for a few years and have made my opinion known...also use the search function to find more threads about this subject

Antagony
5/25/2004 7:44pm,
While I didn't find those clips to be particularly rad, I do feel that SC might have some cool stuff to offer.

Any other good vids to see?

Antagony
5/25/2004 7:45pm,
(If anything, I just dig how it's unorthodox in today's MA)

Mr. Mantis
5/25/2004 7:46pm,
JBliss: Glad to see you are still alive.

JBliss
5/25/2004 7:53pm,
heh...I spend all my time amongst the trees now

I proudly sport an Irish **** beard
crisp bacon tan
rope burned fingers
and shovel worn hands
you need a hole dug ?
then I'm your man
I'll dig, dig, dig
as fast as i can!
HORTICULTURE, BITCHES!

Muffdiver
5/26/2004 4:56am,
Originally posted by mikus
That's just plain wrong. Classically, you stay standing when doing the vast majority of judo throws (except for sacrifice throws). You go to the ground with the person because

a.) It's not easy to throw a skilled grappler while staying standing. You throw all your body weight into it.

b.) It allows you to move directly into a controlling ground position (mostly side control or kesa gatame or knee on belly).




That is just ridiculous. Grabbing with the fingertips is just plain weaker. I wouldn't be suprised if some strong bastard was able to do it to someone much lighter than them, but it is ALWAYS weaker than a grab with the hand (excluding the index finger).

Have you ever been grabbed between your pec muscle and armpit ? Hurts like a bitch not to mention drops the reaction time of your opponent by a couple secs. Granted.. in the beginning it is a weaker grip, but after a lot of drills that strengthen them... you will notice the difference.