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jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 2:07am,
This is a list of Serbian martial arts, tell me which one of these are BS and which are legit. I will also write something about every MA listed here (history, founder etc.)

1. Kyokushinjutsu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIdy_W5y7A

2.Hapkikwan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXJxW9OSRc

3.Fudokan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQAHn8NIck

4. Real Aikido https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3L1AoszMHE

5. Serbian style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzGR3alpdWo

6. Serbian system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uB4NZSV-QY

7. SOKO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUnJP8Ytthw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRLfsn4u9g

8. Srbos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzzk_g2Xvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0wZUAXm-Y

9. Folk wrestling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Zrka5qAUk

10. Nauka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeUvd9vESzU

11. Odbrana Developed from Real Aikido, can't find a video

12. Protecto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__CdPeJoXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWPaZhLPkKg

13. Svibor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDhmj71oEo

14. Svebor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsoL0waVIlI

15. Damjanovic fencing system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PhGsnDq0E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IedXEnFLleE

16. Progressive street figting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7aJKS8NSV4

jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 4:49am,
Kyokushinjutsu is a new style of self defense developed from self defense program which was practiced during 80' in Belgrade Kyokushinkai Karate clubs. During the beginning of 90' when civil war in Yugoslavia started, that program was used to train Krajina Militia and State Intelligence and Security Service of Republic of Srpska, since 1994 Kyokushinjutsu was mandatory part of Special Operations Unit training.
First public demonstration of Kyokushinjutsu was held in Belgrade in 1995. in World Center of Real Aikido , and 1997. was the beginning of civilian use of this art.
As a new fighting style KYJ was officially recognized on Congress of eurasian masters of martial arts which was held in 1998 in Russia. Next great recognition came in 2004. when "Chinese Tagou institute for research of traditional Chinese martial arts" of Buddhist Shaolin temple accepted this style as "Serban Shaolin style" under name of Ju Gen Shoo (not sure if this is correct translation)
that is how three characters of KYOKU-SHIN-JUTSU are pronounced in Chinese. Last recognition came in 2007. from European hall of fame martial arts department.

This new method was developed on basis of defensive techniques of far eastern martial arts, which efficiency was proven multiple times in practical conditions. This style developed as a result of 40 years long experience of great master soke Dragan M. Filipovic. Based on principle from Practicality to Practicality (from practice to practice) this style includes techniques from these martial arts:
KODOKAN JUDO i JU JUTSU – throws
AIKI JU JUTSU – locks, control, armbars
SHAOLIN CHIN NA – methodological approach and tactics
KYOKUSHINKAI KARATE – striking techniques and tameshiwari
SHAOLIN WU SHU - self defense use of ancient far eastern weapons (for older masters, not obligatory)

Methodology of training is that students are systematically introduced to world of martial arts and simultaneously to develop mental, physical and ethical aspect. Imperative of Kyokushinjutsu is to create fighters with warrior spirit, stable personality, high moral and human qualities.
To express idea and essence of this self defense concept, method was called KYOKUSHINJUTSU, to honor great Mas Oyama who was teacher of Dragan M. Filipovic (created KYJ) and awarded the latter with black belt.
KYOKU - eternal
SHIN - realisticm absolute truth
JUTSU - skill

Definition of KYOKUSHINJUTSU IS : "SELF DEFENSE MARTIAL ART CREATED FOR ADEQUATE REACTION IN ALWAYS PRESENT, POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, REALISTIC SITUATIONS."

jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 5:08am,
Hapkikwan is a comprehensive martial art

Hapkikwan (from Korean: hap – harmony, ki – inner power, energy, kwan - school) is modern, comprehensive martial art, founded in 1994. by Prof. Boris Krivokapic, Ph.D. (LL.D.) who at that time had full 20 year of practicing various martial arts. Professor Krivokapic is one of leading experts in the region in the field of Public International Law and at the same time intenationaly recognized grandmaster and master in several martial arts (he has been practicing martial arts since 1974).

Hapkikwan was created upon Korean Hapkido, which is one of the most complete and most eficient self-defence systems. More specific, it's basys was mainly Moo Lim Won Hapkido which Boris Krivokapic practiced in 1994. in Seoul (Korea) as personal student of Grandmaster Choi Sang Heum (Moo Lim Won Hapkido Founder and President). The other main source is Hoshinkido Hapkido in which Boris Krivokapic is representative for Serbia and Balkan states of Grandmaster Serge Baubil, 10th Dan, Hoshinkido Hapkido Founder and President of the International Hoshinkido Hapkido Federation. Both schools (Moo Lim Won & Hoshinkido Hapkido) are based upon one of the hardest Hapkido schools - Bum Moo Hapkido, developed in 1968. by Grandmaster Kim Yun Sik (10th Dan).

Although in the begining it represented more or less just one of various schools of Hapkido, during the years Hapkikwan has developed and significantly changed. Many compatible elements from other martial arts were built into it, as well as some techniques and approaches from the finghting tradition of Slavic peoples. Also, Hapkikwan is enriched by many new ideas, concepts, methods, tactics, techniques and drills which based on his big experience, invented Prof. Krivokapic himself.

Based on scientific approach and practical aspects, Hapkikwan is shaped in such a manner to produce complete fihgter, and in a wider sence, complete person. It is made free from any unnecessary traditional forms of irrational movements and everything else that interferes with or slows progress.

The basic idea has always been that the art must be maximally effective and versatile, it must provide answers to all situations and at the same time cover all types of techniques, but without favoring any of them. In this sense, holder of black belt in Hapkikwan, is supposed to know to safely fall, masterly punch and kick, be proficinet in the use of dozens of throws and joint locks. He must know how to defend against all attacks (punches, grabs and weapon attacks, etc.) and must be equally good in the standing fight and in the fight on the ground. In addition, in Hapkikwan one learns how to fight against multiple attackers, how to use the whole arsenal of weapons. He also learns special breathing exercises, acupressure points, meditation, basics of chiropractic and traditional medicine and so on.

Training (class) is organized in a manner that it is very interesting for students. Practicioners almost always work with a partner. Many different techniques are practiced in each class.

Although there are several types of free sparring in Hapkikwan, it is not martial sport, but martial arts. The purpose of training is not to prepare practitioners for sport competition. The idea is not to collect medals, but to master the comprehensive and highly effective self-defense skills.


Does all this mean that Hapkikwan is the best martial art?
Of couse not! There is no such thing as «the best martial art»! There are so many other serious martial arts which follow the same or similar goals, but which are based on diferent principles, techniques, tactics etc. There is not such thing as tme most beautiful song, best book, the most delicious dish ... There are only good songs, good books, delicious food ... and each for himself chooses what suits him. Hapkikvan is just one of many roads, the road that meets the interests and needs of those who follow it. There are, of course, also other roads, which attract other praciticicants. And it is good that it is this way.

Diference in coparison with traditional Hapkido

The roots of Hapkikwan are in Korean Hapkido. It is indicated by the very name of Hapkikwan, which is very similar to the name of Hapkido, except that instead of “way” (Korean: do) it mentionss a “school” (kwan).

However, although Hapkikwan and Hapkido are not the same martial arts. Compared to traditional Hapkido, Hapkikwan has retained the idea of a comprehensive approach to fighting (basic assumption that students need to master all aspects of combat). Also many techniques are basicaly the same. However, there are big differences.

The very curriculum is significantly different, different is the way of movement, different are the ways of performing punches and kicks, understanding of blocks and choice of blocks is completely different, many new specific exercises are incorporated (exercises for developments of coordination, strengthening the body and the mind, etc..). Hapkikwan program includes breaking of boards, several types of free sparring (classic Hapkido does not involve breaking techniques· or free spraing). In Hapkikwan it is highly developed fighting on the ground (in the classical Hapkido fighting on the ground is not payed so much attention), some weapons are completely different (there are several weapons from the tradition of Slavic peoples). Special attention is given to specific psychological training of practitioner, developing a sense for good tactics, and so on. After all, the very tactics of fighting are significantly different.


On the other hand, in comparison with the classical in Hapkido, in Hapkikwan considerably less attention is paid to traditional medicine (acupuncture, acupressure, fixing bones, healing herbs, etc.). Namely, the general idea is that those who have medical problems should be left for the care of professional medical staff. Despite this, the basic elements of acupressure, chiropractic, etc. are required for higher Hapkikwan black belts.


Who can practice Hapkikwan?

Hapkikwan is suitable for all ages and both genders. The lowest age limit for the start of training is about 5-6 years, and the top does not exist.
Since it is not the physical power that is the most important in Hapkikwan, but the technique, speed, composure etc. it is not surprising that female students are very successful. After all, in practice they make about 30% of all the members.

Competitions

Although, as mentioned above, competitions are not primarly goal, practitioners of Hapkikwan occasionally participate in various sport competitions, under different rules - at the Championships in self-defense, free sparring, breaking boards, in fitness competitions (Boot Camps) and the like. This is done on a voluntary basis (only one who wants to) and is seen as a kind of so called situational training i.e. something that serves for a general practitioner's progress.

The martial art, but also anti-stress program, fitness and friendship

Hapkikwan is a martial art. The basic purpose of studing and practicing it is getting the ability to defend, if necessary, ourselves or another victims of illegal attack.

However, similar to other serious martial arts, Hapkikwan is not not just learning different ways to overcome the opponent. Regular exercise in many ways contributes to spiritual development, strengthening character, personal development... Among other matters, the training is a great fitness and anti-stress program. Finally, it is also an excellent form of socializing, making new friends.

In this regard, although the majority of novice enrole in order to learn to fight (to learn self-defense) very soon they notice that Hapkikwan training enriches their lives in many different ways. Not only they become more relaxed, much more self-confident and inclined, happier and more optimistic than before, but they also gain new friends.
Almost imperceptibly, for the vast majority of Hapkikwan practitioners training becomes an integral part of everyday life, something that is not skipped. After a while, almost every one of them begins to look at training and fighting in a completely different manner.

Limbo in the Hapkikwan manner
In addition, the training is very serious and concentrated, but also foster a spirit of friendship among athletes, who help each other on a common path of progress. The club is seen as a kind of extended family, where it exercise seriously and diligently, but where it also hangs. Although very serious and efficient when performing techniques, demonstration, sparring, breaking boards and the like., Hapkikwan students are at the same time known as cheerful bunch, always ready to joke and socialize.

http://www.hapkikwan.com/index.php/en/hapkikwan/what-is-hapkikwan see pics here

jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 5:11am,
http://www.fudokaninfo.com/about-fudokan-karate

Style of karate

jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 5:14am,
http://www.wcra.rs/strana.aspx?id=28&parentid=2

Real Aikido
Serbian martial art
Real Aikido is an authentic self-defence martial art, which is extremely efficient and applicable in every-day, realistic situations.

The founder of Real Aikido is Grand Master Ljubomir Vračarević, SŌKE, black belt 10th Dan, who has isolated several hundred techniques from traditional Aikido, reformed them, and excluded elements of the Japanese tradition, putting emphasis on applicable value of every single technique. By means of introducing his personal knowledge acquired from other martial arts, he has created a defensive, extremely flexible system of self-defence techniques of the following basic characteristics: speed and timely reaction, continuity in execution of a technique and absolute final control over an attacker, by means of specific bars.

Flexibility of the techniques, which enables individuals to adjust their execution to their physical constitution and current situation, results in maximum efficiency of application of Real Aikido. Even though easily denied and disputed in its home country, value of Real Aikido got internationally recognized when its founder, Grand Master Vračarević got elected to the Hall of Fame, which honours outstanding athletes at the international level.

There is no age limit to Real Aikido practice. It can be practiced in form of recreation of adults, it has positive influence on development of psychophysical and motor skills in children and due to its specific qualities Real Aikido is particularly suitable for bodyguard and special army and military units training. In regard to this domain, Grand Master Vračarević has achieved exceptional results outside his country’s borders – he trained bodyguards of Zimbabwe’s President Robert Mugabe, of Libya’s President Muammar Gaddafi, he trained the Russian Police special units "Alpha" and "Cobra", as well as bodyguards of presidents of Kazakhstan and Macedonia, and head officials of the Serb Republic and Slovenia.

Since 2003, Real Aikido has been the first and the only internationally recognised Serbian martial art.

DCS
10/23/2017 6:05am,
List of Serbian martial arts:

1. Basketball.
2. What Cro-cop does.

jimbo salvatore
10/23/2017 7:03am,
Tennis? Water polo?

Diesel_tke
10/23/2017 9:11am,
List of Serbian martial arts:

2. What Cro-cop does.

This. Shouldn't even be a question after that. Crop competed in boxing, kickboxing, and MMA. His ground style was from the old school sprawl and brawl method but he was able to defend against takedowns from some of the best wrestlers in the world.

As far as where he got his training from, I have heard all kinds of stuff. My favorite is that he learned kickboxing from watching Jean Claude Van Dam movies. :)

jimbo salvatore
10/24/2017 3:29am,
Unknown style, no info about it.

jimbo salvatore
10/24/2017 3:42am,
"Goal of training Serbian System (SS) is self defense. We are teaching SS not so that our students could beat up people, but to teach them how to defend themselves. We always insist that violence should be avoided. Techniques that we teach are dangerous so we are working on strengthening of Orthodox spirituality so that our students can use these skills without hurting innocent people. Problem with Asian martial arts is that they are designed for people of smaller dimensions, people of different constitution like Chinese people or Japanese or Jews, and Serbs are generally very tall people. All those nations are great and we respect them but we need a different fighting system, one that is adapted for us.
SS is similar to Systema but is upgraded with ground game. In other clubs there is a lot of good fighters but they don't have spiritual level. Other mistake is that they teach martial arts by automatism and automatism in real fight leads to forgetting techniques and principles."

They learn how to defend and attack with all kind of weapons and striking, throwing etc.

jimbo salvatore
10/24/2017 3:48am,
http://www.sokocombatsystem.com/

What is SCS?

SCS is not a martial art. It is complex system of training which aim is to train person for self-defense in real life conditions, considering his personal natural mental and physical abilities in shortest time possible.

For whom is intended to?

First SCS is developed and intended for Serbian Special Forces purpose, based on a need to train a man for close combat for a in shortest time. Soon it is realized that it is also suitable for police and other security and protection services, and of course for civilians who want fast to learn how to fight.

How is made?

SCS appear naturally as a result of many years practicing and studding martial arts, and doing different jobs in security business. It is developed by scientific methods: analyzing, abstracting and synthesizing certain parts of best martial arts as: Wing Chun, Ninjutsu, Krav Maga, Russian system, Kali Escrima, Real Aikido, Tai Chi Chuan, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...

Why so many martial arts and systems of training?

Lot of times people ask which martial art is the best (ultimate) or what can be recommended for them to start practicing.
Answer is simple - there is no ultimate martial art. If there is one than all people will practice that one and other will be soon disappeared. That is why SCS extracted best of all and puzzle in complex and same time simple combat system.
Neither one martial art includes all aspects of close combat, where is combined all weapons from bare hands, over sticks and blades, to fire arms. Nearest to that is ninjutsu, but you need lot of years of practice that you can use it in practice.
SCS uses more martial art parts which by itself have very good answers on particular life situations. For example Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has best developed ground flour fighting technique and system how to train it.

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Kali Escrima gives us best work with stick and knife.
Krav Maga have well developed and very realistic approach to training.
Ninjutsu gives good basics and principals for use different types of weapons, and also methods of training fight in all conditions, while from Ju Jutsu (part of Ninjutsu) was taken lot of good techniques bare hand fighting (Hand to hand – H2H)
Russian system first took in consider scientific basics of body biomechanics. It gave different way of accepting and giving punches and also some new methods of training that are bit different than traditional which are exceeded during time. By that way results are achieved very fast.
Thai chi chi gong is excellent energetic and anti stress program for fast recovering after stress situations, hard trainings, and also in order to improve general health condition. Lot of people from security business don't use this program so it often accrues that they very soon "over burn" and start to learn narcotics. Thai chi chi gong can help maintaining physical stability of men.

Why SCS?

For any martial arts you need years and years of hard training and practice to achieve certain level needed for real self-defense, which by it self isn't a guarantee of success, exactly because un real approach to training, while to become a master you need much more. Nowadays man , who lives fast doesn't have so much time. And that's why SCS gives you opportunity to for a relatively short time any one learns to apply self-defense in totally real conditions.
Thus, main advantage of SCS is shortest way to your aim.

What makes difference SCS from other systems of training?

- Method of training
- Simplicity
- All inclusive - Universal,-
- Speed of training
- Realistic approach through making real fight situations
- Respects a 3E principles. Economy (your time, money, energy), Efficiency (learn fast dont lose time on rubbish), Effective (practical application of learned skills).
- And above all producing unbreakable spirit and iron will.

What offers you SCS?

SCS offers you training frome various downlisted areas:

1. Hand to hand fight,
2. Tactical use of blade,
3. Tactical use of hand stick,
4. Tactical use of tonfa
5. Tactical use of chain,
6. Tactical use of spray,
7. Tactical use of improvised items,
8. Fight in confined space,
9. Fight in car,
10. Fight in water,
11. Fight in Low Light conditions,
12. Fight using hands and weapons,
13. Fighting using military weapon and equipment,
14. Antistress program,
15. Defence Tactics For Security Professionals
16. Fight with pistol

All of those areas can be considered as more different and independent courses which all together are SCS.
If U are not able to practice SCS U can arrange one or few day seminar or course, from issues listed upward, depending what you decide. Of course, once you try SCS you'll wish to complete all, so you will long to attend as much as possible courses.

Diesel_tke
10/24/2017 7:44am,
"Goal of training Serbian System (SS) is self defense. We are teaching SS not so that our students could beat up people, but to teach them how to defend themselves. We always insist that violence should be avoided. Techniques that we teach are dangerous so we are working on strengthening of Orthodox spirituality so that our students can use these skills without hurting innocent people. Problem with Asian martial arts is that they are designed for people of smaller dimensions, people of different constitution like Chinese people or Japanese or Jews, and Serbs are generally very tall people. All those nations are great and we respect them but we need a different fighting system, one that is adapted for us.
SS is similar to Systema but is upgraded with ground game. In other clubs there is a lot of good fighters but they don't have spiritual level. Other mistake is that they teach martial arts by automatism and automatism in real fight leads to forgetting techniques and principles."

They learn how to defend and attack with all kind of weapons and striking, throwing etc.

This entire paragraph is basically saying that they should just train in kickboxing.

Falenay
10/24/2017 8:53am,
This entire paragraph is basically saying that they should just train in kickboxing.

With religious and racist connotations. Orthodox spiritual level?! Chinese, Japanese, and Jews?! I mean....really?! It sounds like a bloody racist cult, dammit.

All I've seen so far is people taking other people's arts, claiming that their method and/or set of techniques is superior, and, if a grading system is included, promote themselves to rediculously high ranks.

Some arts/people may be legit in general, but the way of promoting it sounds pretty much McDojos-like.

Edit: And no full contact sparring, most of the vids are presentations and if you're looking further you see the common game of partners being nice to each other.

Diesel_tke
10/24/2017 10:43am,
It basically seems like the Serbian martial arts scene is basically a bunch of people creating their own martial arts and rolling the dice. I mean, SOKO basically looks like a cross between a RBSD system and Ninjas.

BJMills
10/24/2017 11:24am,
I mean, SOKO basically looks like a cross between a RBSD system and Ninjas.

What's not to love?!

Diesel_tke
10/24/2017 12:33pm,
What's not to love?!

Right? It's like the one stop shop for all the coolest and secretest techniques!