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badtigra
5/14/2017 10:23pm,
Hey guys so I'm looking into some other schools in my area, and one that caught my interest (mainly for Judo) was this.
(It seems I can't post links yet, so just google Harbor City Dojo judo and jujitsu. It'll be the one with HarborCityDojo in the url, not to be mistaken for HarborJudo)

It seems to check out pretty nice, they're even affiliated with the USJA, USJJF and USJJO. (United States Judo Association, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation and United States Ju- Jitsu organization) Are these trusted affiliates or are they mcdojo chains? I'll be checking the place out in person soon, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say about it. Thanks a lot.

Christmas Spirit
5/14/2017 10:27pm,
MABS -------> YMAS

Please read the stickies and forum descriptions of the forum you plan on posting in.
This post did not meet the posting standards for MABS.

Welcome to Bullshido and have a wonderful day.
(seriously tho, read the stickies before starting new threads)


here is a handy link... http://www.harborcitydojo.com/

I haven't looked anything over...

badtigra
5/14/2017 10:32pm,
MABS -------> YMAS

Please read the stickies and forum descriptions of the forum you plan on posting in.
This post did not meet the posting standards for MABS.

Sorry, I don't understand. Isn't MABS for investigating/asking if a school is a mcdojo? I'm definitely missing something here.

Christmas Spirit
5/14/2017 11:07pm,
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57547

Christmas Spirit
5/14/2017 11:11pm,
Your post is "is my school a McDojo, should I train there"?

Not "I think this place is and here is the evidence".

kevin g
5/15/2017 7:34am,
I'd say that something could still qualify as a McDojo, and still be effective. There are plenty of mass-produced, McDonalds-inspired dojo-chain arts like Judo, Karate and Hapkido around, trophies in the window, Japanese / Korean / American flags on one wall and ancient weapons on the other wall, with dozens of kids running around in Skittles-colored belts as part of their "ninja courses" on pizza night. We've even had 3 BJJ schools open up in South Houston over the past few years. So, don't write it off because it doesn't look like the garage gym from Never Back Down. I mean, Judo was the original McDojo, even before the Karate, Kung Fu, Ninja, Kickboxing and MMA crazes.

scipio
5/15/2017 7:44am,
I'd say that something could still qualify as a McDojo, and still be effective. There are plenty of mass-produced, McDonalds-inspired dojo-chain arts like Judo, Karate and Hapkido around, trophies in the window, Japanese / Korean / American flags on one wall and ancient weapons on the other wall, with dozens of kids running around in Skittles-colored belts as part of their "ninja courses" on pizza night. We've even had 3 BJJ schools open up in South Houston over the past few years. So, don't write it off because it doesn't look like the garage gym from Never Back Down. I mean, Judo was the original McDojo, even before the Karate, Kung Fu, Ninja, Kickboxing and MMA crazes.

I don't do judo but would be interested to see how you view it as being a McDojo. It is held in fairly high regard by a number of posters here.

You also have "the booj" in your style tag. A lot of posters on this site view the booj as being a "McDojo" style. What would be your view on this?

kevin g
5/15/2017 8:37am,
Any style can become McDojo, once too many dojo open, or the quality-control is lost and the art becomes too estranged from the source ("crappling" BJJ knock-off schools), and there have certainly been Judo classes at the local YMCA that are not Kodokan-quality.

As for the Bujinkan, yes, it's sad to say but I'd wager less than 10 percent of the schools are of quality instruction, and most of those guys have some cross-training under their belt, realizing the limitations of our art (or any art in general). Bujinkan aren't as McDojo as Karate or Judo or one of the bigger styles, but too many guys are teaching before they're ready, and try to mimick Hatsumi's soft "Aikido-esque" movements without benefit of decades of hard training. Plus, the "too deadly to spar" and "gourge the eyes on the ground" mindset doesn't help.

AcerTempest
5/15/2017 9:17am,
Hey guys so I'm looking into some other schools in my area, and one that caught my interest (mainly for Judo) was this.
(It seems I can't post links yet, so just google Harbor City Dojo judo and jujitsu. It'll be the one with HarborCityDojo in the url, not to be mistaken for HarborJudo)

It seems to check out pretty nice, they're even affiliated with the USJA, USJJF and USJJO. (United States Judo Association, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation and United States Ju- Jitsu organization) Are these trusted affiliates or are they mcdojo chains? I'll be checking the place out in person soon, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say about it. Thanks a lot.

Well, I don't know about the other things they are claiming to teach, some of the marketing on the women's self defense courses made me nervous but then again marketing usually, but the Judo instructor looks solid on the face of it. He is listed on the USA Judo site as a C-level referee which matches the claims that he has made.

King Moonracer
5/15/2017 9:39am,
Any style can become McDojo, once too many dojo open, or the quality-control is lost and the art becomes too estranged from the source ("crappling" BJJ knock-off schools), and there have certainly been Judo classes at the local YMCA that are not Kodokan-quality.

As for the Bujinkan, yes, it's sad to say but I'd wager less than 10 percent of the schools are of quality instruction, and most of those guys have some cross-training under their belt, realizing the limitations of our art (or any art in general). Bujinkan aren't as McDojo as Karate or Judo or one of the bigger styles, but too many guys are teaching before they're ready, and try to mimick Hatsumi's soft "Aikido-esque" movements without benefit of decades of hard training. Plus, the "too deadly to spar" and "gourge the eyes on the ground" mindset doesn't help.

There's no such thing as good Bujikan. It's all horrible and has ridiculous processes.

There's fantastic karate and Judo out there. The same can't be said for Ninja-ing.

BKR
5/15/2017 1:09pm,
Hey guys so I'm looking into some other schools in my area, and one that caught my interest (mainly for Judo) was this.
(It seems I can't post links yet, so just google Harbor City Dojo judo and jujitsu. It'll be the one with HarborCityDojo in the url, not to be mistaken for HarborJudo)

It seems to check out pretty nice, they're even affiliated with the USJA, USJJF and USJJO. (United States Judo Association, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation and United States Ju- Jitsu organization) Are these trusted affiliates or are they mcdojo chains? I'll be checking the place out in person soon, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say about it. Thanks a lot.

No, David J. Ellis is as legit as it gets as a judoka and judo instructor.

Can't speak to the ju jitsu stuff, but David can do and teach some Judo...

BKR
5/15/2017 1:12pm,
Well, I don't know about the other things they are claiming to teach, some of the marketing on the women's self defense courses made me nervous but then again marketing usually, but the Judo instructor looks solid on the face of it. He is listed on the USA Judo site as a C-level referee which matches the claims that he has made.

David Ellis is super-solid judoka, instructor, and referee.

AcerTempest
5/15/2017 1:35pm,
David Ellis is super-solid judoka, instructor, and referee.

Glad to here it from someone with more first-hand experience.
I figured as much based on my experience with other Judoka of similar rank and experience, but direct knowledge is always better.

badtigra
5/15/2017 4:20pm,
Thanks BKR. As I'm unsure about the Ju jitsu, nice to know the Judo is good, as that is what I was originally looking for. Going to go checkout the place tomorrow.

badtigra
5/17/2017 8:18pm,
Last post in the thread, just tried their Judo class. Exceeded expectations, absolutely amazing. I just waltzed in with my sport shorts and shirt and they just let me participate, not in the actual class of course but on the sideline with one of the instructors. learned a cool choke (don't remember the name he used) and several break falls. Anyone in the area of this place, I definitely recommend it. Hopefully their Ju Jitsu is good too.

DarkPhoenix
5/18/2017 12:37pm,
Welcome to the world of judo. If you weren't wearing a gi, he probably showed hadaka-jime, more commonly referred to as the rear naked choke.

The best piece of advice I could give to anyone who is just starting to learn judo is to have fun with it. And expect to fall/get thrown a lot!