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Hadzu
8/28/2015 10:20am,
I was minding my own business, as you do, when this little curio dropped into my YouTubes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNvOHIUi_Y


My initial reaction to this question is "no, she could not", and honestly the question seems symptomatic of the absurd hype train Rousey is riding at the moment. Even the interviewees seemed to be dancing around the issue and offering vague replies in the style of "yeah, she could probably do good, but, well, you know... but Judo is cool... Takedowns and stuff..."

Obviously, Rousey's good at tossing people on their heads and twisting their arms, but I'm not sure how much exposure she's had to the more esoteric guard-play of pure sport jits. Also, while WMMA generally doesn't have a very high skill level, contributing to Rousey's dominance in the sport, I'm not sure what the situation is in women's BJJ.

TL;DR: People theorize about how a big fish in a small pond would perform in a different, probably slightly bigger pond. Shenanigans ensue.

IMightBeWrong
8/28/2015 1:14pm,
If Rousey showed up to compete, all the butt dragging at the event could cause an earthquake.

Raycetpfl
8/28/2015 1:14pm,
I don't think anyone is even close to her at 135. Honda by Armbar.
It's not hype. It's science. Strength, judo,heart and skill are hard to **** with.

IMightBeWrong
8/28/2015 1:33pm,
I don't think anyone is even close to her at 135. Honda by Armbar.
It's not hype. It's science. Strength, judo,heart and skill are hard to **** with.

Are you familiar with ADCC? It's a very different type of competition than what Ronda is used to.

plasma
8/28/2015 2:23pm,
I think she could do well if she trained for the ruleset. She was an Olympic Level Judo-ka. But ADCC No-Gi submission grappler isn't her forte and she would be going against other top level female grappler more accomplished in No-Gi submission wrestling.

For example, there is no way to know how well she would handle Jiu Jitsu sport orientated guards like X, DLR or 50/50. As they aren't found in Olympic Judo nor MMA.

Raycetpfl
8/28/2015 3:07pm,
Very familiar. I've watched every match that's piqued my interest from every tournament they've ever had. I believe wholeheartedly she would medal her first time out.
The only competitor I see giving her real trouble would be Mackenzie Dern. However I believe Ronda is to athletic for Mackenzie. Her athleticism mixed with her technique and timing is just far beyond anything else I've seen from women grappling. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaby muscled her in the absolute but that's about it

NeilG
8/28/2015 3:32pm,
Is ADCC pure subs or is it a point-based system? I recall reading on judoinfo a while back about a top-tier judo guy who entered one of the points-based tournaments. He said he did OK but he lost a lot of points even though he had trained some under the ruleset, basically because under pressure he reverted to his judo training. Stuff that's inconsequential in judo loses you points in BJJ.

Hadzu
8/28/2015 3:52pm,
Is ADCC pure subs or is it a point-based system? I recall reading on judoinfo a while back about a top-tier judo guy who entered one of the points-based tournaments. He said he did OK but he lost a lot of points even though he had trained some under the ruleset, basically because under pressure he reverted to his judo training. Stuff that's inconsequential in judo loses you points in BJJ.

They have a point system, looking something like this:
"
-Each position must be established for 3 seconds or more being out of any danger of submission in order for points to be awarded.

• Passing the guard = 3 points
• Knee on stomach = 2 points
• Mount position = 2 points
• Back mount with hooks = 3 points
• Takedown (ends Guard or Half Guard) = 2 points
• Clean Takedown (ends passed the guard) = 4 points
• Sweeps (ends Guard or Half Guard) = 2 points
• Clean Sweep (ends passed the guard) = 4 points
"
Plus some potential point reductions for rule infractions and the other usual guff.

To clarify my own position, Rousey is obviously a talented athlete with no small degree of skill. I have no doubt that if she were to completely drop out of MMA and spend a few years training exclusively BJJ, she would most likely come to compete at a very high level in that sport. I am not convinced that she could throw on a rashguard tomorrow, head down to the ADCC world championships and murder everyone put in front of her. I doubt she'd even have a very good showing, simply due to unfamiliarity with the ruleset (and its resulting strategies) and the majority of her grappling experience being in the gi.

Raycetpfl
8/28/2015 4:05pm,
Is ADCC pure subs or is it a point-based system? I recall reading on judoinfo a while back about a top-tier judo guy who entered one of the points-based tournaments. He said he did OK but he lost a lot of points even though he had trained some under the ruleset, basically because under pressure he reverted to his judo training. Stuff that's inconsequential in judo loses you points in BJJ.
http://www.adcombat.com/adcc-rules-and-regulations

AcridSaint
8/28/2015 5:06pm,
She probably wouldn't be a champion boxer either, if she just walked in off the street. If she trained for it, I think she would do very well. Not all Judoka have bad ground game. Her mother wrote a book on Judo ground game and has always been a newaza player. So, I doubt that she grew up only learning how to throw.

NeilG
8/28/2015 5:11pm,
So, I doubt that she grew up only learning how to throw.No ****, Sherlock.

AcridSaint
8/28/2015 5:19pm,
No ****, Sherlock.

Should I have quoted the OP so that my reply has more context?

NeilG
8/28/2015 5:33pm,
Should I have quoted the OP so that my reply has more context?Most of the people who follow Ronda know that she was a newaza specialist throughout her judo career and that it was this unusually strong ground game that has formed the basis of her MMA success, to the tune of 13 armbar victories through her ammy and pro career. So yeah, she didn't grow up learning only how to throw.

AcridSaint
8/28/2015 5:43pm,
And yet the video and the OP both reference her takedowns and probable lack of quality ground game. Sorry if the tongue-in-cheek ending in my first post didn't come through appropriately.

Cajun_Grappler
8/28/2015 7:09pm,
Ronda is a great Judo champ, Olympian, and MMA fighter, but none of these things means she will excel in Submission wrestling. Ronda is great at submissions in sports where submissions are sometimes used, but her sub game is way weak for a submissions only event. It would be like putting a place kicker in on a soccer team and expecting him to do will simply because he is the best kicker in his sport. He may be the best place kicker in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he will hold a candle to the guys who do nothing but kick the ball against other guys kicking the ball all day every day.

Hadzu
8/29/2015 2:51am,
And yet the video and the OP both reference her takedowns and probable lack of quality ground game. Sorry if the tongue-in-cheek ending in my first post didn't come through appropriately.

I think the OP could do with some re-reading if that's what you got out of it. To once again elucidate, at no point did I say Rousey's ground game is bad. In fact, it's obvious that she has a rather good one within the context she has trained and competed. The point I was trying to make is that there is no guarantee that she would have an answer to a really skilled open guard player, since stuff like DLR, 1LX and the like aren't seen in MMA or Judo, as Plasma mentioned. Again, her grappling in an MMA/Judo context could be *excellent* and she might still be unable to deal with someone who just sits down and starts tying her legs up.