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Mortal_wombat
2/03/2015 1:18pm,
Hey guys, here's my situation: In August I was hit by a rare autoimmune disease called anti-nmda receptor encephalitis. It really affected my memory and cognitive functions. The medication i was taking practically turned me into a zombie. Im unable to go back to school or work for about 2 years.

Recently they lowered my medication and Im somewhat able to function normally. I gained 30 pounds since August so I figured I would go back to martial arts to lose the weight i gained. After getting medical clearance I found a boxing gym 10 minutes away from my house but im unable to spar or do any of the contact stuff due to my medical condition. Boxing class is basically me jumping rope with some burpess thrown in for 45 minutes and hitting the heavy bag for another 45 minutes.

I'd like to do something more than a glorified cardio workout. I thought that I might try my hand at a grappling art since there's no striking. Judo/sambo/wrestling is a no go since I want to minimize my chance at getting a concussion so I'd like to have a go at bjj.

The Gracie barra and Brazillian Top Team in Montreal are a bit pricey and too far away. The other bjj place has great price but it's inisde a gym so I have to join the gym in order to join the bjj class. It's also a bit pricey. Their style is called Thai-jiu-Jitsu founded by a guy named Nigel Scantlebury? Never heard of him. Since im unable to work, im going to be leeching off my parents for the first time in a long time and im also not dropping my boxing class. So price is definitely an issue.

Then we have 10th planet jiu jitsu. Reasonable price, not too far away. I've heard that 10th planet is a gimmicky version of bjj. What's the general consensus on 10th planet jj? What are your experiences regarding 10th planet jj? Is it a suitable style for someone who has zero experience grappling?

ghost55
2/03/2015 2:07pm,
10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu is to BJJ as Aikido is to JJJ/Judo. Basically it's a bunch of advanced, low percentage stuff that only really makes sense to learn once you already have a strong grappling base. Honestly I would just go with Judo or Sambo. Concussions are super rare, especially if you learn good ukemi and let your training partners know that you need to protect your head.

BKR
2/03/2015 2:43pm,
Hey guys, here's my situation: In August I was hit by a rare autoimmune disease called anti-nmda receptor encephalitis. It really affected my memory and cognitive functions. The medication i was taking practically turned me into a zombie. Im unable to go back to school or work for about 2 years.

Recently they lowered my medication and Im somewhat able to function normally. I gained 30 pounds since August so I figured I would go back to martial arts to lose the weight i gained. After getting medical clearance I found a boxing gym 10 minutes away from my house but im unable to spar or do any of the contact stuff due to my medical condition. Boxing class is basically me jumping rope with some burpess thrown in for 45 minutes and hitting the heavy bag for another 45 minutes.

I'd like to do something more than a glorified cardio workout. I thought that I might try my hand at a grappling art since there's no striking. Judo/sambo/wrestling is a no go since I want to minimize my chance at getting a concussion so I'd like to have a go at bjj.

The Gracie barra and Brazillian Top Team in Montreal are a bit pricey and too far away. The other bjj place has great price but it's inisde a gym so I have to join the gym in order to join the bjj class. It's also a bit pricey. Their style is called Thai-jiu-Jitsu founded by a guy named Nigel Scantlebury? Never heard of him. Since im unable to work, im going to be leeching off my parents for the first time in a long time and im also not dropping my boxing class. So price is definitely an issue.

Then we have 10th planet jiu jitsu. Reasonable price, not too far away. I've heard that 10th planet is a gimmicky version of bjj. What's the general consensus on 10th planet jj? What are your experiences regarding 10th planet jj? Is it a suitable style for someone who has zero experience grappling?

If you can get medial clearance for boxing, I'd think you could get it for Judo or Sambo. Getting thrown is pretty darned impactful...be sure to be very specific with your doctors.

For boxing, maybe try no head shots, that might liven things up.

BJJ is lower impact than Judo or Sambo overall. Be sure to check with your MD first, though.

Mortal_wombat
2/03/2015 2:52pm,
Thanks guys. I'll be sure to clear the issue up with my doctor before starting another martial art. Another question about bjj does everyone start off a match by butt scooting? Is the black belt in the video below just an idiot who can't adapt his style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaTuZrLA9A

ghost55
2/03/2015 2:57pm,
No, everyone starts standing, and you can throw your opponent or go for a takedown. Unfortunately, shitty guard pulling seems to be the current BJJ competition meta.

benonmsn
2/03/2015 3:15pm,
If it fits your price range, its fine. I like gi bjj better, with my instructor then 10pl nogi, but its still fun. I still roll with them. They still try to get me in lock down and fail. You will learn a lot more jj with 10pl then you will not training.

qringo
2/03/2015 3:21pm,
You're talking about the 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu on Wellington in Verdun, right? I actually went there for about 3 months back when I was living in Montreal. It's a good club that's welcoming and helpful, but when i was there it didn't have many casuals and I spent the majority of my time there getting p0wned and stopped going after getting dropped on my head and getting concussed. Obviously when you start BJJ you're gonna spend the first year eating **** but I was getting straight up injured nearly every week. It's the kind of place where half the people have fingers and toes taped up and other stuff from going donkey kong. I went back to GAMMA afterwards (downtown by the McGill metro) and that was more my speed. They also had a deal for BJJ and kickboxing so you can get both in.

qringo
2/03/2015 3:27pm,
Oh as a side note regarding the kind of BJJ taught by the 10th Planet - it's a mix of traditional BJJ with a couple of the crazier 10th Planet moves mixed in. So yes, you're getting some 'weird' stuff in there, but they don't ignore the bread and butter moves or drills by any means.

goodlun
2/03/2015 3:53pm,
10th Planet is BJJ with Fancy names for stuff you see in BJJ at just about any other Gym.
It is 100% no Gi.
Its no better or no worse than normal old BJJ.
It comes down to your instructor and what you can and are willing to put into it.
Also they are use to dealing with pot heads so the side effects of your medicine will not be abnormal. (j/k)

goodlun
2/03/2015 3:59pm,
Thanks guys. I'll be sure to clear the issue up with my doctor before starting another martial art. Another question about bjj does everyone start off a match by butt scooting? Is the black belt in the video below just an idiot who can't adapt his style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaTuZrLA9A

Competition is started standing, but I doubt you will be competing much.
Rolling is typically started on your knees.
While you would learn a few take downs at 10th planet they don't focus on them and you can always pass on them till you get better. Since they don't spend too much time on them you won't be wasting your time or money to often by having to pass on them.
Note BJJ is still a contact sport. You will still take the random knee/elbow/head butt/eye poke or what not. You still have two bodies that are resisting each other and doing things that are designed to hurt each other. You will at times being going 100% so plenty of hard hits happen by accident.
That being said its more gentle compared to say Judo/Sambo/Boxing/Wrestling.

ghost55
2/03/2015 4:10pm,
10th Planet is BJJ with Fancy names for stuff you see in BJJ at just about any other Gym.
It is 100% no Gi.
Its no better or no worse than normal old BJJ.
It comes down to your instructor and what you can and are willing to put into it.
Also they are use to dealing with pot heads so the side effects of your medicine will not be abnormal. (j/k)

No, Eddie Bravo has definitely added some weird **** to 10th Planet JJ that isn't in normal BJJ. Rubber Guard is one huge example that comes to mind. It's not that the techniques themselves aren't solid (Eddie Bravo is one of the best grapplers on Earth), it's just that they are insanely complicated and don't make much sense without a solid base in BJJ. I googled rubber guard just to make sure I knew what I was talking about here, and this is what I came across:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Rubber_guard_flowchart.svg/500px-Rubber_guard_flowchart.svg.png

I'm sorry, but I've been doing BJJ/Judo for over a year now, and there is no way in hell that I am anywhere near skilled enough to learn a complex series of techniques like that. And this is "basic" rubber guard. Eddie Bravo has a whole book on "advanced" rubber guard that takes this **** even further. Rubber guard is central to 10th Planet JJ, and I have a really hard time believing that someone with no grappling experience at all could actually effectively learn this stuff.

Chili Pepper
2/03/2015 4:18pm,
The Gracie barra and Brazillian Top Team in Montreal are a bit pricey and too far away. The other bjj place has great price but it's inisde a gym so I have to join the gym in order to join the bjj class.

Have you looked at GAMMA? They have both a BJJ and wrestling program (and just about everything else).

http://montrealmartialarts.com/Gamma_home-en-8.php

Hadzu
2/03/2015 4:28pm,
To echo some earlier statements here, I would definitely say that 10th Planet material is likely to overwhelm newcomers to grappling. While this apparently varies from school to school, my impression has been that many schools outside of the style's HQ will eschew many basic techniques in favor of the more esoteric material 10P is known for. Eddie himself supposedly requires at least a solid year of prior grappling training in his prospective students.

All that said, I'd definitely go try it out, and if you feel like you get something out of it and the price is right, then it'll beat sitting on your ass any day of the week. Then again, I'm gay for a number of 10P techniques myself, so make of my opinion what you will.

On an unrelated note, I like how they've changed Retard Control to the more politically correct "Special Ed Control" in the flowchart above.

ghost55
2/03/2015 4:31pm,
Heh. I definitely want to give 10th Planet a shot someday. Just after I've had another few years of training under my belt.

Mortal_wombat
2/03/2015 4:45pm,
Have you looked at GAMMA? They have both a BJJ and wrestling program (and just about everything else).

http://montrealmartialarts.com/Gamma_home-en-8.php

Ah I forgot about Gamma. I trained there a couple of times. Tuhon Phil is a martial arts treasure. I think Gamma is about the same price range as 10th Planet and if I remember correctly the more classes and styles you take, the more you pay. I'll have to check. And their about the same distance away by bus from my place.

Permalost
2/03/2015 5:07pm,
I'm sorry, but I've been doing BJJ/Judo for over a year now, and there is no way in hell that I am anywhere near skilled enough to learn a complex series of techniques like that.
-a year isn't a whole lot of experience
-you may use a bit of a positional flowchart approach to grappling without recognizing it as such. I'll bet you could draw a complex one like the above for "standard BJJ"