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Maxton
1/17/2015 10:50pm,
Hello.. To be honest, i have known about this forum for a long time and honestly was quite nervous to post here. However in a effort to change my life and man up im saying **** it all and registering.

Now my primary motivation for this is the fact that this forum has a no nonsense attitude and i really need some advice.

about 2 years ago i was very morbidly obese. Close to 400lbs. So i hopped on a stationary bike and dropped 100lbs which means im currently at 300lbs. In that time i also tried just about every martial art in my city.

I spent 5 months in a community boxing program. Nice people good coach, guy has like 4 golden glove awards. Being that it was way cheap and for the community, parents dropped off there kids. I was not a fan of training around the kids. Thank fully i didnt have to do actual training with them, just rotate equipment with them.

At 5 months in i got the itch to do mma so i did. IT was fun, however i hated grappling because of the seemingly random way it was taught. It didn't flow from one class to the next. It never made sense. Going from basics one class to advanced stuff the next. I ended up having to stop training for a while due to some personal drama with my son and the fact that i didn't not mesh well with one of the instructors.

Once the family drama was sorted i have tried a karate/mma hybrid place that went out of business and pure karate and judo place that went under rather soon after i joined..

I then tried bujinkan. Which while i thought the class was fun did not trust the style due to lack of any sparring or anything resembling pressure.

So here i am looking for a place to train. I know of a few places that are decent but its deciding which direction to go. On one hand i have a C.S.Kim TSD place here, and one of the instructors is part of the ITF technical advisory committee. There is a pure bjj place, a Gjj academy, and a MMA school that requires a year long contract for $125 monthly.

While i think the TSD would likely be a good example of its art, i am not sure i would train there due to the fact that the kids and adults train together, at least in the white to red belt class's. They seam to do a mix of point sparring and continuous with light/medium contact. However not a fan of the point sparring and kids.

The mma place looks solid but the video of the instructors last fight did not inspire confidence. I will acknowldge he fought after a 10 year lay off.(22-3) I cant post a video but i can give you his name if you want to search youtube for his latest fight video.

I guess i just expected it to look more like what i see on Thai videos.(it was a MT fight not mma) The gym he teaches at has a Marcelo Garcia purple teaching Bjj and a former college wrestler teaching wrestling.

My issue is, I know that mma works and is a fine system. However my brief exposure to it we didn't do very much in the way of interceptions and deflections. Now did not know i liked this stuff before i was at the karate/mma hybrid place. However after we did our boxing stuff we did lots of parry and deflection practice.

Now i don't know how effective it was but had loads of fun doing it. Muay thai just dosent strike me as the type of art to have a well developed parry/deflection system beyond the slap parry I see widely used. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Which is why i am/was looking at the TMA school listed above. I enjoyed the blocking/interception/deflection stuff.

However i am also interested in weapons and that means FMA. From what i gather mma and fma mesh very well, and would likely be a better match up then TSD and FMA.

Crap typing this out i think i know what i want. I want to do mma, and do fma. Then figure a way to get some advanced deflection/blocking.

How would you guys approach this? Is what i want to mutually exclusive? Is covering better then the deflections found in most other traditional systems?

Its probably a foregone conclusion that I would be better served in the MMA place and then driving up to the JKD/Kali place then doing 5 days week in the TSD.

I likely already have the answer, not sure why im so torn up about the choice.. I guess i just dont want to miss out on something potentially enjoyable.

Maxton
1/21/2015 8:14pm,
Sorry about the wall of text.

Im fairly certain what im going to do. I guess there was no reason to post that long nonsense. Looking back i was just looking for people to tell me what to do and that my decision was right. Well screw that im going to finally man up and make a decision and stop worrying over small details like my fixation on deflection.

So is this forum completely against contract schools? The mma place is contract year long for $125 but you get 3 decent coach's in MT and bjj and wrestling.

The Cap
1/22/2015 3:11am,
125$ a year? Where is this??

Fuzzy
1/22/2015 4:26am,
Lots of good schools have contracts, people need to eat. That said, I'm in the UK so I don't know how that price compares.

FMA and MMA are an awesome combo, particularly if you find someone to spar with who doesn't mind combining the two. Grappling with knives is an eye-opener for sure.

plasma
1/22/2015 4:26am,
Welcome to Bullshido! Congrats on your weight loss, keep going you are awesome to take control of yourself like this!

Stay clear of the Bujinkan, on top of it being completely ineffective, it will do very little in term of weight loss. You won't even break a sweat in their lunge punch infested "training." You'll get a better experience LaRPing with the SCA in your local park.

As for your choices, most legit schools offer a free class to let you get a feel of the atmosphere and how classes are run. The advantage of the MMA school is you can do striking which you seemed to enjoy. However, there is a lot to learn and it could overwhelm you. A Purple Belt under Marcelo would be plenty of instruction for a beginner. The advantage of the Gracie Jiu Jitsu Academy would be most Gracie schools have a structured curriculum which solves your haphazard learning experience when it comes to grappling, additionally you'll be able to focus on 1 aspect of fighting which will not be as overwhelming. Same goes with the pure BJJ place. Go visit and ask questions and join where ever you feel most comfortable.

plasma
1/22/2015 4:33am,
So is this forum completely against contract schools? The mma place is contract year long for $125 but you get 3 decent coach's in MT and bjj and wrestling.


Not at all. Most/All successful schools and gym need contracts to guarantee consistent income. While contracts can and have been abused it's SOP for large commercial academies. Just read the contracts and check out the clauses in case you get hurt (can you pause it for 3 months and resume when you are healed up?), you move (can you cancel it if in 6 months your job moves you?) and after 1 year do you have sign another 1 year contract or does it go month to month then?

Yes $125 is an average price for a MMA school.

slamdunc
1/22/2015 7:05am,
Welcome to Bullshido. Kudos on your decision to live a longer life.

Maxton
1/22/2015 7:29pm,
Sorry i did not mean to type $125 a year i meant to type $125 a month for a year long contract.

Thanks for the warm welcome guys!

With regards to free class's i have done just that. I have tried the TSD and the MMA.
I was also able to sit in on the bjj place.

The TSD place the instructor was nice and had a good fit look to him. I also liked how he moved, with power and fluidity. He apparently was also a boxer at one point in his life. He moved like i would expect a karate guy to move. However i was turned off by a few things.

Firstly there were some kids in class. Now for the most part they listened very well and did not train with the adults as in partner drills. What annoyed me was that some of them were not taking it seriously and were not doing what was told or were half assing it. I wanted to smack them.

Secondly what really bothered me was his red belts. Now this was a open class so it was all the color belts, and none of the black belts were there. They have a separate class. The red belts are approaching 2-3 years practice and some of them did not look very very crisp, which is more about the student then the teacher.

However one student during a kick drill for side hook kicks was only kicking at waist height. She is all of 5 foot tall. He saw it and told her to kick higher(because he knows she can) and stood in front of her with a kick paddle and had her kick the paddles while they marched up and down the dojang. After he left her side she went back to throwing the kick low. I was appalled by this as it was as if she didnt give a **** enough to do what the hell she was told. I took it as a massive sign of disrespect.

If it were not for those few things listed above i would likely have a decent time there as i did enjoy the free class.

The mma school was like my other one, just with more teachers that were specialized. I thought that was cool.

With regards to being overwhelmed with doing to much im not sure that will be a problem.. My issue with grappling was that i felt i didnt get enough time spent on basics just moving through positions and submissions and escapes. Now looking back i could have solved that with just showing up more and with online BJJ videos i should have not had so much trouble. I was intimidated by it.

Does anyone have an opinion on Inosanto blend FMA? Found a school 30 mins from my work that has separate classes in JKD WC and FMA.


He is certified in JKD by Dan Inosanto and Larry Hartsell and Kali by a Dan Inosanto and Punong Guro Edgar Sulite of the Lameco Eskrima International Association. He is Wing chun instructor under Randy Williams.

That seams like a lot of arts to be doing but he has been doing Martial arts for 40 years so i guess your bound to pick up a few instructorships. What do you think of them? I think it looks good, but i have not been up to a free class with them yet. Im planning on it in the next two weeks though.

Again thanks for the help guys and i appreciate your input as always?

Maxton
1/22/2015 7:37pm,
Plasma with regards to the Bujinkan i did have fun during the class. I thought the 2 person kata was fun. I did it for about 4 months. However i came not to trust the style due to their being no sparring or pressure testing at all. I did not like the lunge punch, and thought it foolish especially since i had boxed. Ill say this the break falls were useful as hell. I have fallen twice this year in the ice and both times used break falls(not rolls) that i learned in the bujinkan to save my self from serious injury.

However Ill never do a art like that again. EVER.

plasma
1/23/2015 5:39am,
Sorry i did not mean to type $125 a year i meant to type $125 a month for a year long contract.

No worries we understood what you meant





Thanks for the warm welcome guys!

With regards to free class's i have done just that. I have tried the TSD and the MMA.
I was also able to sit in on the bjj place.



Perfect




The TSD place the instructor was nice and had a good fit look to him. I also liked how he moved, with power and fluidity. He apparently was also a boxer at one point in his life. He moved like i would expect a karate guy to move. However i was turned off by a few things.

Firstly there were some kids in class. Now for the most part they listened very well and did not train with the adults as in partner drills. What annoyed me was that some of them were not taking it seriously and were not doing what was told or were half assing it. I wanted to smack them.

Secondly what really bothered me was his red belts. Now this was a open class so it was all the color belts, and none of the black belts were there. They have a separate class. The red belts are approaching 2-3 years practice and some of them did not look very very crisp, which is more about the student then the teacher.

However one student during a kick drill for side hook kicks was only kicking at waist height. She is all of 5 foot tall. He saw it and told her to kick higher(because he knows she can) and stood in front of her with a kick paddle and had her kick the paddles while they marched up and down the dojang. After he left her side she went back to throwing the kick low. I was appalled by this as it was as if she didnt give a **** enough to do what the hell she was told. I took it as a massive sign of disrespect.

If it were not for those few things listed above i would likely have a decent time there as i did enjoy the free class.



Sounds like despite the instructor having some good skills to himself he is not strict on performance for rank and the rank is probably more geared to attendance. That is very common with Karate styles and their derivatives.




The mma school was like my other one, just with more teachers that were specialized. I thought that was cool.

With regards to being overwhelmed with doing to much im not sure that will be a problem.. My issue with grappling was that i felt i didnt get enough time spent on basics just moving through positions and submissions and escapes. Now looking back i could have solved that with just showing up more and with online BJJ videos i should have not had so much trouble. I was intimidated by it.


Most good MMA schools don't have MMA instructors but rather Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, etc. specialists. This is a good sign.






Does anyone have an opinion on Inosanto blend FMA? Found a school 30 mins from my work that has separate classes in JKD WC and FMA.


He is certified in JKD by Dan Inosanto and Larry Hartsell and Kali by a Dan Inosanto and Punong Guro Edgar Sulite of the Lameco Eskrima International Association. He is Wing chun instructor under Randy Williams.

That seams like a lot of arts to be doing but he has been doing Martial arts for 40 years so i guess your bound to pick up a few instructorships. What do you think of them? I think it looks good, but i have not been up to a free class with them yet. Im planning on it in the next two weeks though.

Again thanks for the help guys and i appreciate your input as always?

I'll point this thread to DerAuslander. He is a JKD/Kali instructor in Maryland. He can better answer that question.

plasma
1/23/2015 5:40am,
Plasma with regards to the Bujinkan i did have fun during the class. I thought the 2 person kata was fun. I did it for about 4 months. However i came not to trust the style due to their being no sparring or pressure testing at all. I did not like the lunge punch, and thought it foolish especially since i had boxed. Ill say this the break falls were useful as hell. I have fallen twice this year in the ice and both times used break falls(not rolls) that i learned in the bujinkan to save my self from serious injury.

However Ill never do a art like that again. EVER.

Ninja LaRPing is fun I agree.

Maxton
1/24/2015 8:53am,
Sounds like despite the instructor having some good skills to himself he is not strict on performance for rank and the rank is probably more geared to attendance. That is very common with Karate styles and their derivatives.






Which is odd as hell considering two points. 1 is the ITF run by C.S.Kim which has its own set curriculum and standards set by the GM. 2. The instructor is part of the technical advisory committee for the whole ITF. During the class i could see him getting frustrated at them all especially the kids. Trying to correct them but them not listening.

I wonder if the redbelts i saw were the type that only put full effort out during the grading. Grading is based on a time in rank plus passing the test. Which includes forms and step sparring and self defense and demonstrating the basics.

I cant help but wonder if i just caught them at a bad day, or was this particular group not the best he had. On top of that i have not seen their black belts which tbh are likely the only group that matters as most color belts dont stick around to become blackbelts.

Either way im still going to try the JKD/Kali place and i should have a clearer picture of were i want to go.

I do know this, no matter what my decision, no matter were i go, ill never be a single stylist. Ill always cross train.

plasma
1/25/2015 8:24am,
Which is odd as hell considering two points. 1 is the ITF run by C.S.Kim which has its own set curriculum and standards set by the GM. 2. The instructor is part of the technical advisory committee for the whole ITF. During the class i could see him getting frustrated at them all especially the kids. Trying to correct them but them not listening.

I wonder if the redbelts i saw were the type that only put full effort out during the grading. Grading is based on a time in rank plus passing the test. Which includes forms and step sparring and self defense and demonstrating the basics.

I cant help but wonder if i just caught them at a bad day, or was this particular group not the best he had. On top of that i have not seen their black belts which tbh are likely the only group that matters as most color belts dont stick around to become blackbelts.

Either way im still going to try the JKD/Kali place and i should have a clearer picture of were i want to go.

I do know this, no matter what my decision, no matter were i go, ill never be a single stylist. Ill always cross train.

The ITF like pretty much all TKD organizations have a lot of quality control issues.

Maxton
1/25/2015 10:04am,
The ITF like pretty much all TKD organizations have a lot of quality control issues.

Apparently. Some thing I read on this forum during a search said that training partners are important. I dont know if i want to train at a place with bad training partners even if the instructor him self is good.

How the hell did the Korean arts end up like this? I can understand TKD thanks to the Olympics and Money, but TSD branched off way before that. Before going to that class i would have thought that TSD would have been what quality TKD should have been. Looking at it i may be wrong.

You know i talked to him after that class and he said that he cant train people the way he was trained. Which was apparently way harder then what is going on now. Full contact with takedowns sparring, hand/leg conditioning, super tough discipline and loads of cardio. He was honest and said that everything was changed due to fear of lawsuits. I cant help but wonder if it is more then that.

Sigh.. I really did want to do a TMA however the MMA training i have done informs me and is telling me that this is not the place for me at this time. Maybe in the future but not right now. I need something practical now.

Plasma i thank you posting with me. This has helped me think through my thoughts and get at the nub of what i want. Which is i need to be able to trust the art Im doing.

W. Rabbit
1/25/2015 1:48pm,
Apparently. Some thing I read on this forum during a search said that training partners are important. I dont know if i want to train at a place with bad training partners even if the instructor him self is good.


Welcome. Here's my take on this part...

Something I think really separates an average martial artist from a great one, is the lifetime variety of training partners. All types, good, bad, and ugly.

If you only ever train with one art, or one instructor, or 5-10 class partners over and over, you will always be limited. Even if the art is great and all the partners are great, it's still just a small sample.

This is why I believe tournament competition is such a respectable goal. Anybody can spend their whole training life in the relative safety of "home".

To become the great martial artist you could be, you've got to throw yourself to the wolves.

W. Rabbit
1/25/2015 2:57pm,
OK I admit it I was inspired by this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSvBr4Qa-Fs