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Mr.HoneyBadger
6/11/2013 8:02pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm8F3wykkOc







What is everyone's opinion on this amazing knife defense? The mugger is especially threatening to me. I'm giving this video points for realism. :obvious_sarcasm:

Mr.HoneyBadger
6/11/2013 8:31pm,
Before this gets moved to trollshido for lack of OP opinion, my opinion is that while some of the advice this guy gives out (Such as not letting bullies get away with ****, some of his muay thai stuff seems alright, but I don't do muay thai so wtf do I know) is good-o.k., this has to be one of the dumbest defenses I've seen for a knife. I hope know one sees this and actually tries it.

FHoppy
6/11/2013 10:04pm,
This sucks out loud.

Decent advice about bargaining and running. I even like the hands up in the bargaining position.

Then Taekwondo happens.

You do not want to try to stay in kicking range against a guy who is trying to get all stabby. They will close the gap and try to gut you.

Hanniballistic
6/11/2013 10:13pm,
Well he just lost his achilles tendon and possibly severed an artery or two...bravo! Seldom do you see such abject fucking stupidity

Mr.HoneyBadger
6/11/2013 11:09pm,
I doubt he's ever been threatened with a knife. Or maybe Shane's just the luckiest man alive?

Seriously though.... who the **** would think this would work? Who, when armed with a knife, attacks someone, who is unarmed, like that? I felt like I was watching an old pirate movie or something with that knife work.

Mr.HoneyBadger
6/11/2013 11:13pm,
Correction on the name. It appears the mans name is Shane Fazen?

Permalost
6/11/2013 11:27pm,
First of all, fail on all counts of acting like a street tough in their little skit.

My opinion is that a knife is best dealt with using 2 hands in maximum leverage/disbalancing techniques, possibly combined with incidental headbutts to prevent solid off-hand counters. I showed some of this stuff at the last SoCal meet a few weeks ago so maybe it'll end up in a youtube video. I would call it orders of magnitude more likely to work for the barely trained person (read: youtube watcher).

If you're not some kind of criminal or asshole, what sort of person would attack you with a knife? Most likely, a criminal trying to murder you, probably by grabbing or pushing you with one hand while stabbing you with short continuous stabs to the guts or wherever they can, until you are dead, which could mean lots and lots of attacks. Someone who stabs non-assholes is likely to be an ex con and may know a thing or two about stabbing a guy (although they're probably not a trained assassin going after Steve from Human Resources). I don't see the need for too technical a breakdown of why a kick to the hand is very unlikely to work.

Bneterasedmynam
6/12/2013 8:36am,
There was a video posted a while back in another thread that shows a woman disarming another woman with a similar kick. The only way I could see this having a remote chance of working though is as a surprise while off guard, even then it's a single chance option. I think the best chance against a knife if running isn't an option is to try and control the knife hand, but in the end you're still probably fucked either way.

nils
6/12/2013 10:31am,
I've seen worse (Age-Uke...). But to believe than you can perform a kick faster than the bad guy can move his hand an inch is delusional at best, distraction or not.

Furthermore, if you are at a distance where you can kick, then you are at a distance where you can turn around and run, or grab something (or just hand him your wallet).

P.S.: http://www.kravmagatraining.com/Krav%20Maga%20Knife%20Defense.jpg

This is what knife defense should look like, according to the worse of the two Shotokan-Dojos I trained at. Picture from http://www.kravmagatraining.com/

Edit:
Stumbled on this while looking for "Age-Uke-Knife-Defense-Pictures", had to share it:
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Reedit: more terrible knife-fighting-pics:

http://kravmagafederationofamerica.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/krav-maga-knife-defense.jpg

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http://www.kravmagatraining.com/Krav%20Maga%20Knife%20Defense%20Course.jpg

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Fuzzy
6/12/2013 11:06am,
2-on-1. ALWAYS 2-on-1.

TheMightyMcClaw
6/12/2013 11:46am,
I will keep this in mind for the next time I am accosted by a beatnink in what appears to be detroit.

Permalost
6/12/2013 12:00pm,
I'm surprised the attacker didn't try to call him a jive turkey.

AKRhino
6/12/2013 12:09pm,
Years ago I saw a guy on TV advise that you keep 5 one dollar bills folded over in a cheap money clip, and keep your real money in your wallet (or wherever else). In the event of an attempted mugging you take out the money clip and throw it in one direction, while running and screaming in the other. To this day I think that is the best advise I've ever heard about how to handle a situation like that. I start every day with my money in my wallet, and I always put change in my right front pocket. That way I can toss a handful of ones and run screaming with my big bills still in my wallet while the guy scrambles to grab singles off the ground.

Pharabus
6/12/2013 12:21pm,
I'm surprised the attacker didn't try to call him a jive turkey.

you got to sass it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVkGRSmYEC0

TheMightyMcClaw
6/12/2013 2:00pm,
I'm surprised the attacker didn't try to call him a jive turkey.

Or ask him "What's hip, daddy-o?"

DerAuslander
6/12/2013 3:10pm,
If you're not some kind of criminal or asshole, what sort of person would attack you with a knife? Most likely, a criminal trying to murder you, probably by grabbing or pushing you with one hand while stabbing you with short continuous stabs to the guts or wherever they can, until you are dead, which could mean lots and lots of attacks. Someone who stabs non-assholes is likely to be an ex con and may know a thing or two about stabbing a guy (although they're probably not a trained assassin going after Steve from Human Resources). I don't see the need for too technical a breakdown of why a kick to the hand is very unlikely to work.

When I trained with Sgt. John Riddle two weeks ago, he did a discussion of common knife attacks and their results that he saw during his time as a police officer and how that affected his training. While he acknowledged that someone most likely to kill you with a knife would attack with rapid fire thrusts to the midline from close range, he said this was not the most common attack he saw. The most common knife attacks were not assassinations but where attacks involving forehand and backhand slashes, often resulting in traumatic defensive wounds. This is your standard altercation that gets out of hand and someone grabs a knife, domestic attacks, etc.


P.S.: http://www.kravmagatraining.com/Krav%20Maga%20Knife%20Defense.jpg

This is what knife defense should look like, according to the worse of the two Shotokan-Dojos I trained at. Picture from http://www.kravmagatraining.com/

Fucking Krav. Krav's knifework sucks. I'd put it slightly above Systema.