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Ashkuff
2/02/2013 3:13pm,
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In my community, many see no need for tools of self-defense, because "that's what police are for."

Yet, police make less than one arrest for every two violent crimes. (*Derived from 2011 crime stats at FBI.gov)

My question for Bullshido: what's that suggest about our understanding of violence, within our own community? Further, how much/little do you know about violence in your own community?

Ice Hole
2/02/2013 3:46pm,
I live in one of the most "gun controlled" states in the Union and we have a gang epidemic in every. single. county.

The relatively small city I go to train in is known (at least in the media) as a gang and murder capital of the state. The local International House of Pancakes was recently (2011) the location of a gang war truce between the town mayor and rival sets of the Bloods, after multiple murders, including children on the street.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/two_rival_plainfield_street_ga.html

I don't live in this town, I just train there and drive there from the "safety" of the rural burbs 20 miles away.

But I don't live under any false presumptions about violence in my town because I know after reading the FBI/NJ gang task force study....those same gangs are active in my town too.

OZZ
2/02/2013 6:06pm,
I am fortunate enough to live in Canada where we have sensible gun restrictions and plenty of cold weather that keeps hoodlums indoors 5-6months out of the year.
My city has an average of 8-10 gun-related homicides per year.
It is a boring city, but it is safe.
The only time we see an increase in gunplay in this city is when gang rivalries from other cities like Toronto and Hamilton find their way to London.
As far as being a victim of crime goes, you are more likely to have your car stolen or broken into than anything else here.
Having said that, the past couple of years there seem to be more late-night incidents involving guns than there were a decade or two ago when I frequented the nightclubs.
Usually the scenario is something like this :
3 or 4 am ..parking lot downtown..two groups of people start mouthing off to each other, one of the groups consists of gang members or wannabes..lipping off turns into threats, threats turns into shots fired.
Sometimes the bullets are just fired into the air or into a car tire to intimidate people, other times, someone gets killed.
This is a university town, so the bars are pretty happening. There is thus no shortage of drunken morons on the streets downtown on any given weekend at 3am.
Barroom brawls are frequent , but murders are not.

Ashkuff
2/02/2013 7:23pm,
I live in one of the most "gun controlled" states in the Union and we have a gang epidemic in every. single. county.

Interesting to know. Question: what's the nature of the gang epidemic? Shootings? Or mainly vandalism?

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Ashkuff
2/02/2013 7:26pm,
Usually the scenario is something like this :
3 or 4 am ..parking lot downtown..two groups of people start mouthing off to each other, one of the groups consists of gang members or wannabes..lipping off turns into threats, threats turns into shots fired.
Sometimes the bullets are just fired into the air or into a car tire to intimidate people, other times, someone gets killed.

Hmmm. Sounds about right, to me. But I wonder, where'd that description come from? Have you seen it happen, yourself? Or is it a narrative from the news? Just wonderin.

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Ice Hole
2/02/2013 8:04pm,
Interesting to know. Question: what's the nature of the gang epidemic? Shootings? Or mainly vandalism?

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www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/njgangsurvey-2001-2004.pdf (http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/njgangsurvey-2001-2004.pdf)

http://i.imgur.com/2zrGltB.jpg

Ashkuff
2/03/2013 9:02am,
I like how homicide, burglary and criminal mischief gets punctuated by freakin' "graffiti."

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erezb
2/03/2013 10:45am,
I know that the media coverage controls what we "know" about the violence in our area.
If for example in jerusalem Israel the media wants to promote an agenda of a peaceful co existence between Arabs and Jews, they won't publish stories that involve any hate crimes. The facebook and cellphone video era helped show how much the media is selective and topic driven.
Though there are surprisingly little Bar room fights here. Hardly any fights, and doorman are present only in clubs. You don't need them in pubs.
You have an armed guard in the entrance (usually some old geezer) to prevent a bomber from getting in, but that is it.

itwasntme
2/03/2013 12:00pm,
I know that the media coverage controls what we "know" about the violence in our area.
If for example in jerusalem Israel the media wants to promote an agenda of a peaceful co existence between Arabs and Jews, they won't publish stories that involve any hate crimes. The facebook and cellphone video era helped show how much the media is selective and topic driven.
Though there are surprisingly little Bar room fights here. Hardly any fights, and doorman are present only in clubs. You don't need them in pubs.
You have an armed guard in the entrance (usually some old geezer) to prevent a bomber from getting in, but that is it.

Damn dude, you don't have any organization that publishes these stats?

goodlun
2/04/2013 4:24am,
Damn dude, you don't have any organization that publishes these stats?
It is quite common for countries to have very tight control over their media outlets. The level of propaganda in some countries is down right criminal.

Ashkuff
2/04/2013 10:48am,
Damn dude, you don't have any organization that publishes these stats?

Even if they do have such an organization, would it necessarily matter?

Like, in my community, the FBI publishes such stats on their website. Yet, those stats are poorly advertised for, a little inconvenient to access, and thus poorly circulated. Therefore, most people get their understanding of crime from the media, which is conveniently broadcast into their living rooms.

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Ashkuff
2/04/2013 10:53am,
If for example in jerusalem Israel the media wants to promote an agenda of a peaceful co existence between Arabs and Jews, they won't publish stories that involve any hate crimes.

Side note: DO they want to promote an agenda of peaceful coexistence?

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itwasntme
2/04/2013 11:14am,
It is quite common for countries to have very tight control over their media outlets. The level of propaganda in some countries is down right criminal.

Is this the case with Israel?

itwasntme
2/04/2013 11:20am,
Even if they do have such an organization, would it necessarily matter?

That would depend on who you ask most likely. If the person doesn't have the inclination to find out then it's obvious that person either doesn't care or is too lazy to look, imo.


Like, in my community, the FBI publishes such stats on their website. Yet, those stats are poorly advertised for, a little inconvenient to access, and thus poorly circulated. Therefore, most people get their understanding of crime from the media, which is conveniently broadcast into their living rooms.

Okay, on one hand I think it would be good for agencies such as the FBI to "advertise" these statistics in some fashion; on the other hand I feel it should be fairly obvious where one needs to look to find such information. Even if someone's first thought wasn't an LEO agency a quick google search would likely take them straight to what they want to know.

Edit: I would like to add that in this country people are far too dependant on our government or others and if we keep handing **** out left and right, babying them, they have no incentive to change. So I don't necessarily pity people that have the resources available to them to get what they need/want yet choose not to.

dwkfym
2/04/2013 10:15pm,
Ace, when the HECK did you join bullshido??? Welcome!

Ashkuff
2/04/2013 11:53pm,
I don't necessarily pity people that have the resources available to them to get what they need/want yet choose not to.

In general, I wholeheartedly agree.

But what of people who "have" resources, yet simply aren't aware of them? If you grew up in a news-watching household, and you're used to trusting the news, why would you even think to bother with other resources?

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