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PhuketTopTeam
8/03/2012 3:46pm,
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putting a question out there for you guys about the Deep Half Guard.

I dont tend to play a Deep Half Guard game, however if someone sits on my De La Riva or is well into passing my guard - i will suck under and start to play DHG.

Do any of you guys specifically put yourself in the DHG and play from there, or like me - is it a position you run when your opponent puts you where you feel you should scoot into a DHG?

thanks

RandomTriangle
8/04/2012 11:58pm,
I seek it, but don't force it. Though less frequently than x /RDLH. But that is because I face more people who try standing passes than kneeling passes. I believe it is valuable. It doesnt have to be your go-to guard, just fill a few holes.

It gives you a good compliment to a arm drag/butterfly sweep game against kneeling/combat base opponents.

There are good mount and back mount escapes that involve going to DHG as well

elipson
8/06/2012 2:25pm,
What do you feel is your best finish/escape from DHG?

I experimented with it for a while but couldn't find regular success with any particular escape. And I found I got punched in the face a lot for my troubles.

RandomTriangle
8/06/2012 7:55pm,
I onlywoken the basics. I usually end up inserting my far hand so I have both arms inbetween their legs and bump up into my opponent, landing in their guard. This movement is facilitated by my opponent shifting their weight backwards to avoid me coming out the back door.

I would recommend practicing new grappling movements without strikes until you feel at least a little confident with them. Then progressively add pressure.

For further information both Ryan hall and Jeff glover have excellent instructionals out that make for great resources as well.

elipson
8/08/2012 2:34pm,
I started with the Jeff Glover tutorial. Pretty good video. I think I need to revisit deep half with some white belts.

RandomTriangle
8/09/2012 3:58pm,
Sounds good. You just have to take it Incrimentally. I started with just entries, and didn't care if I would sweep. I just found it hard as hell to get under people.

And it doesnt have to be the number one on your priority list. I never Played deep half untill I got my brown belt. And it wasn't out of need... It was out of desire. I simply wanted to know for the sake of knowing it.

265lbsfist
8/10/2012 7:10pm,
I'm a DHG man but if you want to play it with strikes you'd better be hella active so you always keep the top guy unbalanced or really good at reclaiming full guard if you fail at sweeping. Preferably both.

Without strikes one can usually unnerve the top guy by playing with his balance making him over-commit to one side and then boom you go the other way. That's a much more patient way of playing which does not translate well to MMA at all.

blackmonk
8/15/2012 10:49pm,
I find DHG fairly limited, just MHO.

Like turtle, it is more of a transitional position than anything else. I play a heavy butterfly/X-guard game, so it is a natural progression for me... And although I have a LOT of luck with DHG, it doesn't seem to lend itself to anything spectacular, in my experience. I usually end up in half guard with my opponent's leg over my shoulder, blocking my full pass, or in a potential back-take opportunity where they usually roll back into open guard. I would rather look for X variations that leave me in a better finishing position.

captainbirdseye
8/16/2012 7:48am,
In my experience. I usually end up in......... a potential back-take opportunity where they usually roll back into open guard.

I find this happens a lot with me, are there any realistic back take options from here that your opponent can't roll back into open guard from?

blackmonk
8/16/2012 8:19am,
It's all about control, and I'm not familiar enough with the position to know exactly what to do...

I imagine a belt grip, or immediately establishing the seatbelt, would work.

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Omega Supreme
8/16/2012 11:52am,
I'm a DHG man but if you want to play it with strikes you'd better be hella active so you always keep the top guy unbalanced or really good at reclaiming full guard if you fail at sweeping. Preferably both.

Without strikes one can usually unnerve the top guy by playing with his balance making him over-commit to one side and then boom you go the other way. That's a much more patient way of playing which does not translate well to MMA at all.With my MMA game I yell at my guys to get the forehead to the hip before deciding where to transition. They'll have to flatten you you to get their balance back or risk loosing position. I have a huge caveman on our team that always fight me on this and he still has yet to punch my face in. He always has to fight my leverage or I'll sweep him.

SantosCruz
9/09/2012 2:54pm,
What you should do, is sit down, and bring your leg up to 90 degrees on the matt and then slide his knee off you. Thats the best technique of escapeing the half gaurd

Uchi Mata
9/21/2012 3:15pm,
I find this happens a lot with me, are there any realistic back take options from here that your opponent can't roll back into open guard from?

Yes. The trick is to turn it into a rolling back take.

The way this works: you're in deep half, he leans forward, and you come out the back. The standard back take is to use a hook to try and lever his leg, preventing him from turning into you, and take the back from there. The problem is that it's very hard to prevent that turn. Instead, keep your front leg locked around his and don't try to go directly to his back. Reach over his hip, and lock your hands around his opposite leg. Now, roll over your shoulder that is closest to him to get to a banana split type position. From there you can spin him into full back control. Ryan Hall doesn't specifically show this on his DVDs, but the rolling back to is shown on his Back Attacks DVD, and the position is pretty easy to get to from deep half. He actually does it in the well known 'path to the back' clip from his match with Hermes Franca. I'd study that vid a lot and try it a few times. This is the only way I can consistently take the back from deep half.

captainbirdseye
9/22/2012 6:34am,
Yes. The trick is to turn it into a rolling back take.

The way this works: you're in deep half, he leans forward, and you come out the back. The standard back take is to use a hook to try and lever his leg, preventing him from turning into you, and take the back from there. The problem is that it's very hard to prevent that turn. Instead, keep your front leg locked around his and don't try to go directly to his back. Reach over his hip, and lock your hands around his opposite leg. Now, roll over your shoulder that is closest to him to get to a banana split type position. From there you can spin him into full back control. Ryan Hall doesn't specifically show this on his DVDs, but the rolling back to is shown on his Back Attacks DVD, and the position is pretty easy to get to from deep half. He actually does it in the well known 'path to the back' clip from his match with Hermes Franca. I'd study that vid a lot and try it a few times. This is the only way I can consistently take the back from deep half.

I guess that could work, usually when I do that my opponent will base out with his hands so I reverse the roll and sweep him. Never occured to me to go to the back from that way.

Alan Belcher
11/10/2012 6:35pm,
I actually like deep half a lot. If I see an opening I go right for it and attack with a sweep.

plasma
11/11/2012 5:44am,
Yes. The trick is to turn it into a rolling back take.

The way this works: you're in deep half, he leans forward, and you come out the back. The standard back take is to use a hook to try and lever his leg, preventing him from turning into you, and take the back from there. The problem is that it's very hard to prevent that turn. Instead, keep your front leg locked around his and don't try to go directly to his back. Reach over his hip, and lock your hands around his opposite leg. Now, roll over your shoulder that is closest to him to get to a banana split type position. From there you can spin him into full back control. Ryan Hall doesn't specifically show this on his DVDs, but the rolling back to is shown on his Back Attacks DVD, and the position is pretty easy to get to from deep half. He actually does it in the well known 'path to the back' clip from his match with Hermes Franca. I'd study that vid a lot and try it a few times. This is the only way I can consistently take the back from deep half.

Yes it is, it's Deep Half Guard Disk 2 #25 -Waiter Sweep to Rolling Back Take. That is exactly what he did in the Hermes Franca Super Fight.