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lordbd
6/10/2012 7:37am,
That was a pretty close fight last night between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley. I only watched part of it, but it seemed like both fighters looked good.

Now the PACMAN has been DETHRONED in a controversial split decision.

What do you, faithful marital arts enthusiast, think happened here?

1) The Pacman is becoming less and less invulnerable in his old age
2) Bradley is just that good, and is the next boxing superstar
3) Bob Arum is a snake and somehow fixed things to set up a hugely profitable rematch
4) It really WAS too close to call and could have been a draw, but the judges were under pressure to crown a victor in such a big fight
5) Pacman deserved the W but was robbed

I guess we'll see who really is the best when they rematch in November.

battheo
6/10/2012 7:41am,
Ok, did anybody else watch this fight? Seriously, that's fucking insane. You could say it's just deserts, but at least the Pacman JMM fight was legitimately close. I didn't see anything in the Pacman Bradley fight that made me think Bradley could have taken it.

I scored that fight 116 112 to Pacquiao (very nearly 117 111). I could't even really agree with a 115 113 to Pacquiao, because that would imply Bradley won 5 rounds, which I don't think he did. It was three or four.

But a split decision where Bradley wins on two judges scorecards 115 113?? That's just beyond the pale of ridiculousness!

Obviously, boxing is notorious for its poor judging, but it rarely goes against the established draw.

Perhaps most disastrously, now we'll never see Pacman vs Money. Because, can you see Mayweather offering anything like a reasonable purse in light of a loss to Tim Bradley? (I know, I know, I'm not sure that fight would have ever happened either... and I agree with Roy over why: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--roy-jones-jr--says-floyd-mayweather-wants-no-part-manny-pacquiao.html).

So, that's just... well... it's just fucked. Obviously.

Any thoughts? How did the rest of you score it?

Tranquil Suit
6/10/2012 7:50am,
Number 5, very much number 5.

I don't see a loss by robbery as dethroned.




I wonder if Floyd will be tweeting about this from his jail cell.

"As inmate No. 1363917 at the Clark County jail in Las Vegas (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Las_Vegas%2C_NV), Mayweather doesn't have access to a television, computer or telephone in the small solo jail cell where on Friday he was beginning the second week of a three-month sentence in a domestic violence case."
http://www.startribune.com/sports/158132645.html


Nevermind

lordbd
6/10/2012 7:54am,
Now I wish I had stayed up to watch the whole fight. AHHH. Why does boxing have to be so frustrating!

Do you think that the rematch in November is going to prevent a Pacquiao/Mayweather match-up before one of them retires?

battheo
6/10/2012 7:57am,
That was a pretty close fight last night between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley. I only watched part of it, but it seemed like both fighters looked good.

Now the PACMAN has been DETHRONED in a controversial split decision.

What do you, faithful marital arts enthusiast, think happened here?

1) The Pacman is becoming less and less invulnerable in his old age
2) Bradley is just that good, and is the next boxing superstar
3) Bob Arum is a snake and somehow fixed things to set up a hugely profitable rematch
4) It really WAS too close to call and could have been a draw, but the judges were under pressure to crown a victor in such a big fight
5) Pacman deserved the W but was robbed

I guess we'll see who really is the best when they rematch in November.


Trust me, having watched the entire thing, it wasn't close at all. Bradley put in a decent performance but was nonetheless completely dominated by Pacman. It was obvious when watching it, and it's obvious when you look at the stats retrospectively. For a few rounds I was expecting Bradley to get KTFO'd. I scored 116 112 to Pac, and that's being generous to Bradley.

Definitely number 5.

Saddest thing is, this has just put Pacman vs Money out of the realms of all possibility.

battheo
6/10/2012 8:00am,
Now I wish I had stayed up to watch the whole fight. AHHH. Why does boxing have to be so frustrating!

Do you think that the rematch in November is going to prevent a Pacquiao/Mayweather match-up before one of them retires?

I think Mayweather now has justification to offer Pac a ridiculous purse and thereby stop the fight from going ahead.

Tranquil Suit
6/10/2012 8:02am,
MERGED

battheo
6/10/2012 8:06am,
MERGED

Thanks, lordbd just beat me to it.

lordbd
6/10/2012 8:07am,
But I foolishly did not do the spoilers thing. Apologies.

Tranquil Suit
6/10/2012 8:09am,
Also, in the future. Avoid putting results in the titles themselves, it's very spoilery. (Just changed the title of one of you)


At the same time, you don't have to add *Spoilers* in a thread title. I mean, if a fight happened and you don't wanna know the outcome, then it's common sense not to read a thread about that fight.


Cheers

Rivington
6/10/2012 11:33am,
Pac has lost half a step or so, but still clearly won the fight. The judges were still sore from criticism following the previous fight, I think, and bent over backward to be "fair" to the underdog.

Hiro Protagonist
6/10/2012 11:49am,
By Hextor. Watching modern boxing is like watching a corpse stink.

MdGeist
6/10/2012 1:18pm,
I'm currently watching the fight. So far I have it 4 rounds for Pac-man and 1 round for Bradley after 5 rounds.

At work, I keep on getting interrupted during rounds by this damn technician. So I'm rewatching rounds to see if I missed anything. This may take awhile to score the fight properly

lordbd
6/10/2012 4:05pm,
Now all we can do is wait for Seth Mitchell to have his go at the Kiltschko's, at least heavyweights tend more toward knock-outs.

MdGeist
6/10/2012 4:40pm,
I just finished watching the fight and I scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao. Here is my scorecard:



1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Pacquiao - 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 9 9 - 116
Bradley - 10 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 10 10 10 - 112

Now the 1st, 2nd, and the 7th round are in red because they were arguably the closest rounds and really could be scored either way.

If you were to be favoring Pacquiao's aggresiveness and defense, it could have been 117-111 for Pac. in my book

I think you would really have to bending the judging criteria in favor of Bradley's ring generalship, but a judge could have scored it a 114-114 draw.

It is Fake
6/10/2012 4:46pm,
At the same time, you don't have to add *Spoilers* in a thread title. I mean, if a fight happened and you don't wanna know the outcome, then it's common sense not to read a thread about that fight.


CheersI am going to disagree, we've been putting spoiler tags, for years, for the boneheads. Better to put *spoiler* in the thread title, since we do start fight threads early, just in case.


Pac has lost half a step or so, but still clearly won the fight. The judges were still sore from criticism following the previous fight, I think, and bent over backward to be "fair" to the underdog.Yep. An interesting theory floated is now they have a potential three fight money maker. This did well and now Manny wants revenge. If that one goes well and he wins we get the tie breaker.