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JohnnyCache
3/02/2012 11:57am,
My bad thought Rene was a girls name... oh I f***ed up now! lol Sorry, man!

To be fair, rene is ... pretty "European" iykwim

Omega, there's a youtube setting to let ppl watch your vids on their phones...

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Omega Supreme
3/02/2012 12:08pm,
To be fair, rene is ... pretty "European" iykwim

Omega, there's a youtube setting to let ppl watch your vids on their phones...

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Xparent Red TapatalkI didn't shoot the second video...that would be coffefan.

HapkiUSA
3/02/2012 5:02pm,
Posted this on one of two other threads I "started." It should go here too since this is front page news and all. Yay me for inflating my schools rating. I've been put in my place though, I assure you:
Yeah I feel like a real genius right about now. I've started a **** storm, put my school under the microscope for merciless criticism and probably embarrassed my GM and Master, who have been nothing but wonderful to me and my kid and completely devoted to our success.

They are definitely more humble than me, who is apparently the only one of us here posting a bunch of **** about us. I'm a shitty rep for our kwan. I didn't mean to feed us to the wolves but I sure jumped in with both feet and guns blazing and it's way too late to take it back now. This **** feels like a bad tattoo. Permanent ink of a dick on my face or something. :P At this point I'm hoping not to get kicked out of my school which would be nothing short of devastating to my kid and me both since we have built many great relationships and connections there.

I know there is little respect for hapkido around here but I think it's important to finish what I started and earn the first dan if they don't banish me for being being an idiot.

CrackFox
3/02/2012 5:55pm,
So wait a sec. You have to ask permission to train in other places, and you can be kicked out for simply describing your place on line. These guys sound touchy. They need to grow up.

HapkiUSA
3/02/2012 6:11pm,
Just one of them is CF. I hope I'm just overreacting. I signed a contract saying that I wouldn't train anywhere else. And it's not to say permission would not be granted if asked. As it is I don't need to get sidetracked anyway, being such a low belt and all. One black belt at a time. And between my Master and Chief Instructor who have a mix of backgrounds I think I'm at a max capacity for what I can take in and practice for proficiency right now. They have more to throw at me than I can handle.

CrackFox
3/02/2012 6:14pm,
I signed a contract saying that I wouldn't train anywhere else.
That was not a smart move.

Permalost
3/02/2012 6:21pm,
I've heard of plenty karate/kung fu etc schools that frown on training under multiple teachers at a time, but I've never heard of having that in an actual contract.

HapkiUSA
3/02/2012 6:24pm,
That was not a smart move.
It's done now though and kind of a moot point since it only obliges me through 1st dan, which I plan to get anyway. It lowered my monthly payments and knocked off the belt testing fees. Also my kid and I got an awesome deal way below the sticker price and I'm glad to have that in writing. But yes, not smart on the whole to do that kind of thing.

Rivington
3/02/2012 6:26pm,
Nothing says "warm and loving second family" like a legally enforceable contract reading "no third families."

CrackFox
3/02/2012 6:28pm,
It's done now though and kind of a moot point since it only obliges me through 1st dan, which I plan to get anyway. It lowered my monthly payments and knocked off the belt testing fees. Also my kid and I got an awesome deal way below the sticker price and I'm glad to have that in writing. But yes, not smart on the whole to do that kind of thing.
You went for the "Blackbelt Club" option?

lionknight
3/02/2012 6:31pm,
Just one of them is CF. I hope I'm just overreacting. I signed a contract saying that I wouldn't train anywhere else. And it's not to say permission would not be granted if asked. As it is I don't need to get sidetracked anyway, being such a low belt and all. One black belt at a time. And between my Master and Chief Instructor who have a mix of backgrounds I think I'm at a max capacity for what I can take in and practice for proficiency right now. They have more to throw at me than I can handle.


If you signed a contract saying you would not train somewhere else then foryour own good I hope you get kicked out.*

They shouldn’t be there to control your life or have a say in whom or whatyou talk about. You’re not committing a crime and talking honestly, it’s apretty crappy school that is worried about such a thing.



*I really think the chances of them kicking you out are extremely slim, theywant your money and as long as they have you under control then that is whatthey care about.

It is Fake
3/02/2012 6:32pm,
So wait a sec. You have to ask permission to train in other places, and you can be kicked out for simply describing your place on line. These guys sound touchy. They need to grow up.It is a sign of a Mcdojo. My non-contract MCdojo did the same thing. As I realized they do it under the " there is too much to learn" BS. In reality you find out much quicker how **** many of the techniques really are in practice.

Petter
3/02/2012 6:41pm,
I know there is little respect for hapkido around here but I think it's important to finish what I started and earn the first dan…
Why?

If you want to stick with hapkido for some reason then stick with hapkido, but sticking with a bad decision out of a sense that you should “finish what you started” sounds extremely silly. In economics, this is called the sunk cost fallacy, or sometimes the Concorde fallacy—this irrational tendency people have to feel committed to something because they’ve spent so much time on something, so that they will stick with it even when it becomes clear that it does not have inherent value (“throwing good money after bad”).

I suppose I could have stuck with Shotokan until I got my black belt—I quit at 3rd kyu and might have had another year or two to go, I guess—but once I realised that BJJ (and for a while, kickboxing) did a much better job of giving me what I wanted out of martial arts, it seemed clear that continuing in karate would have been a waste of my time and my money. I mean, what would I have got out of it? A black belt certificate with no value whatsoever outside a group I would leave anyway?

(Interestingly, one of the reasons I left my Shotokan group was that they heavily frowned on cross training. They didn’t go so far as to forbid it, but I realised that with a culture that made me wary of even mentioning BJJ, the lack of a rule against it didn’t matter: it wasn’t a good culture for me anyway.)

HapkiUSA
3/02/2012 7:13pm,
We'll see what happens. If they force me out I'll have no choice but to roll with it. At least it won't be the end of the world but it would feel like it for a while.

The reason I want to continue to first dan is because I actually like the art and want the experience. If I were to leave now I would forever question why. Just because someone told me it was a good idea? I would only be comfortable doing it on my terms from my own conclusions based on my experiences. (I'm a very stubborn Taurus :P)

While I am keenly aware of the warnings and red flags you're throwing, I still have to figure it out for myself to be happy with whatever choice I make after the contract is up. Like learning calculus. You can show me the formulas, but it's up to me to learn how they work and why and how to choose the right ones for the right problems. The only way is just to practice. And having a history of being impulsive with bad results, I'm inclined to take my time. Phew my forearms are hurting now lol. More push-ups! It's time to make dinner for my little guy. Duty calls! Have a kick ass weekend everyone. See you around here soon.

WoodyCorpus
3/02/2012 9:12pm,
I respect your dedication. Do what you feel best doing, just make it work.

Omega Supreme
3/02/2012 10:58pm,
The reason I want to continue to first dan is because I actually like the art and want the experience.

This is the only reason you need.