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atomicpoet
12/10/2011 10:41pm,
What's with Bullshido's obsession with over-the-hill, washed up boxers? There's better fights tonight. Amir Khan is fighting Lamont Peterson, and Seth Mitchell is stepping up to Timur Ibragimov.

Tomorrow, and even better fight happens. Giovani Segura is facing off against Brian Viloria.

**** this dubious fight.

alex
12/11/2011 3:06am,
honestly poet? nobody knows or cares who the **** those people are. call me when someone tysonesque gets in the ring and gives boxing somebody worth giving two fucks about. theres none at the moment.

Devil
12/13/2011 1:35pm,
What's with Bullshido's obsession with over-the-hill, washed up boxers? There's better fights tonight. Amir Khan is fighting Lamont Peterson, and Seth Mitchell is stepping up to Timur Ibragimov.



You're on a martial arts board. Boxing has taken a backseat in popularity for most of us here since the rise of MMA. Those washed up fighters get attention because they're the ones we were watching when we still had more than a passing interest in boxing.

I don't know who all those guys you mentioned are and the only reason I know any of them is that I have an awesome satellite TV package and eventually I watch all the Walking Dead and Boardwalk Empire I have DVRd.

atomicpoet
12/15/2011 12:04am,
honestly poet? nobody knows or cares who the **** those people are. call me when someone tysonesque gets in the ring and gives boxing somebody worth giving two fucks about. theres none at the moment.

You wouldn't know if a Tysonesque fighter is around since you don't watch boxing.

alex
12/15/2011 2:06am,
actually i do. if only to torture myself with how **** the sport has become. its kinda like how no matter what ill watch cro cop fight

atomicpoet
12/15/2011 6:51pm,
actually i do. if only to torture myself with how **** the sport has become. its kinda like how no matter what ill watch cro cop fight

I could talk all day about all the active fighters that are not only more talented than Mike Tyson, but more exciting. You probably wouldn't know who they are, though. Hell, it almost seems blasphemous here to say that Mike Tyson actually wasn't as good as many of you think.

It's hilarious, though, that an over-the-hill RJJ gets more attention on this forum than a whole host of fighters that, right now, are much better than him. And then, after you all watch a tired, over-the-hill RJJ -- you all come back to this forum to talk about how boxing is dying.

But go ahead. Keep believing that there is no one currently better than Mike Tyson was 25 years ago. Keep watching a punch drunk version of RJJ fight a club fighter for a joke belt. Keep talking about "how **** the sport has become" while beating the drum for the next James Toney fight.

Devil
12/15/2011 7:06pm,
Why does it irritate you so much that we don't like boxing as much as you? There are other forums where you can talk boxing all day with like minded boxing fans. You're like the harikrishna of the boxing world. Knocking on our doors when we're trying to eat dinner, spreading the word of your beloved sport and spouting propaganda we don't want to hear until we slam the door in your face.

atomicpoet
12/15/2011 10:14pm,
Why does it irritate you so much that we don't like boxing as much as you? There are other forums where you can talk boxing all day with like minded boxing fans. You're like the harikrishna of the boxing world. Knocking on our doors when we're trying to eat dinner, spreading the word of your beloved sport and spouting propaganda we don't want to hear until we slam the door in your face.

Did I create this thread? Did I bang the drum on this RJJ fight? No. I believe my exact words were:


**** this dubious fight.

Would you guys have been happier if I recommended you watch UFC 140? That would have also been better than watching RJJ in his faded glory.

Because this was a boxing thread -- not started by me, mind you -- I thought it more pertinent to recommend better boxing fights that weekend.

But hey, if you don't want to hear how shitty this fight was, and how there were better fights that weekend, I suggest you not click a thread about boxing that was not created by me.

Now, if you don't mind me, I'm going to go eat my dinner.

Tranquil Suit
12/16/2011 7:37am,
atomicpoet: I liked you more when you were posting threads of upcoming boxing matches... instead of crying so much.

Devil
12/16/2011 8:43am,
Did I create this thread? Did I bang the drum on this RJJ fight? No. I believe my exact words were:



Would you guys have been happier if I recommended you watch UFC 140? That would have also been better than watching RJJ in his faded glory.

Because this was a boxing thread -- not started by me, mind you -- I thought it more pertinent to recommend better boxing fights that weekend.

But hey, if you don't want to hear how shitty this fight was, and how there were better fights that weekend, I suggest you not click a thread about boxing that was not created by me.

Now, if you don't mind me, I'm going to go eat my dinner.

No, you wanted to convince us how great boxing is. Only in your mind are there current boxers as important as Mike Tyson. That's a joke. If there were, we'd know about them even if we didn't ever watch boxing. Everybody knew who Mike Tyson was. You're delusional with your "Mike Tyson wasn't as good as people think he was" babble. Tell that to the wake of bodies he left in his path.

I've had this lame argument with you before. I know, I know, there are important boxers now - they're just not important to Americans. But in a tiny village in Indonesia, so and so is the ****. Yeah, I get it.

atomicpoet
12/16/2011 11:20am,
No, you wanted to convince us how great boxing is.

By telling everyone how shitty a certain RJJ fight was? Right.


Only in your mind are there current boxers as important as Mike Tyson. That's a joke. If there were, we'd know about them even if we didn't ever watch boxing. Everybody knew who Mike Tyson was. You're delusional with your "Mike Tyson wasn't as good as people think he was" babble. Tell that to the wake of bodies he left in his path.

Sure, let's discuss this. Both Klitschkos are more important, skilled, and all around better than Tyson. If you put the 1988 version of Tyson in the ring with a current Klitschko, it would be him who'd be leaving in a body bag. Here's some facts for you to chew on:


Both Klitschkos sell out 50,000 seat stadiums on a regular basis.
Their achievements hold genuine socio-political significance.
Neither fighter has lost since 2004.
Wladimir holds the Ring, WBA, WBO, IBF, and IBO titles. Vitali holds the WBC.
They've completely cleaned out the heavyweight division, soundly beating every legitimate contender.
No other heavyweights, except Joe Louis and Larry Holmes have been as dominant for as long as the Klitschkos.


They only reason why the Klitschkos are not more celebrated is because they are not Americans, don't fight in North America, and don't fight in a style that appeals to Americans. They sure appeal to Europeans, though.

The only reason you care about Mike Tyson was because he was exciting, but exciting doesn't equate with the best ever. Yes, Tyson left a string of bodies, but he also lost to Evander Holyfield twice, and to Buster Douglas. Not only was Tyson not the best of all time, he wasn't even the best of his era.


I've had this lame argument with you before. I know, I know, there are important boxers now - they're just not important to Americans. But in a tiny village in Indonesia, so and so is the ****. Yeah, I get it.

Americans don't care about boxing as much anymore because the rest of the world caught up. But hey, that's the nature of Americans. If they don't dominate a sport, they want none of it. This doesn't just hold true for boxing, but other "traditional" American sports as well.


Why do you think baseball is no longer so popular in America? Dominicans, Japanese, and Cubans are better at it than Americans.
Why is tennis no longer so popular in America? The Europeans are spanking Americans.
Why has soccer never been popular at all in America, despite being hugely popular elsewhere? Everyone else is better at it than Americans.

Conversely, why do Americans give a damn about American football? Because nobody else bothers with it.

But go ahead. Pretend that the halcyon days of yore -- when Americans dominated boxing -- were so much better than today, a time that the rest of the world caught up.

Devil
12/16/2011 11:34am,
By telling everyone how shitty a certain RJJ fight was? Right.



Sure, let's discuss this. Both Klitschkos are more important, skilled, and all around better than Tyson. If you put the 1988 version of Tyson in the ring with a current Klitschko, it would be him who'd be leaving in a body bag. Here's some facts for you to chew on:


Both Klitschkos sell out 50,000 seat stadiums on a regular basis.
Their achievements hold genuine socio-political significance.
Neither fighter has lost since 2004.
Wladimir holds the Ring, WBA, WBO, IBF, and IBO titles. Vitali holds the WBC.
They've completely cleaned out the heavyweight division, soundly beating every legitimate contender.
No other heavyweights, except Joe Louis and Larry Holmes have been as dominant for as long as the Klitschkos.


They only reason why the Klitschkos are not more celebrated is because they are not Americans, don't fight in North America, and don't fight in a style that appeals to Americans. They sure appeal to Europeans, though.

The only reason you care about Mike Tyson was because he was exciting, but exciting doesn't equate with the best ever. Yes, Tyson left a string of bodies, but he also lost to Evander Holyfield twice, and to Buster Douglas. Not only was Tyson not the best of all time, he wasn't even the best of his era.



Americans don't care about boxing as much anymore because the rest of the world caught up. But hey, that's the nature of Americans. If they don't dominate a sport, they want none of it. This doesn't just hold true for boxing, but other "traditional" American sports as well.


Why do you think baseball is no longer so popular in America? Dominicans, Japanese, and Cubans are better at it than Americans.
Why is tennis no longer so popular in America? The Europeans are spanking Americans.
Why has soccer never been popular at all in America, despite being hugely popular elsewhere? Everyone else is better at it than Americans.

Conversely, why do Americans give a damn about American football? Because nobody else bothers with it.

But go ahead. Pretend that the halcyon days of yore -- when Americans dominated boxing -- were so much better than today, a time that the rest of the world caught up.

I've watched quite a few of the Klitschko brothers' fights. I like them and think it's cool that they're successful, but they're boring as ****. Hell yeah I liked Tyson because he was exciting. That's sort of the whole point of entertainment, right?

The Klitschkos' achievements hold socio-political significance? Dude, you're stretching. You're looking for importance where there is none.

Years after Tyson last stepped in a ring, he's still more popular than the Klitschkos and they're still fighting.

Also, point to where I said Tyson was the best ever. You can't because I didn't. I said people cared more about him than the Klitschkos. They do. Boxing has been around forever and it will never die. It's just not the exciting spectacle it once was. The big draw with boxing was always that people thought they were the baddest dudes in the world. Now people know better. Get over it.

Azatdawn
12/16/2011 11:57am,
liked Tyson because he was exciting. That's sort of the whole point of entertainment, right?

Besides entertainment, boxing is also a sport.



Years after Tyson last stepped in a ring, he's still more popular than the Klitschkos and they're still fighting.

I think this is a very North American point of view. Over here, even when Tyson was still around, it wasn't like he was mentioned and referred to in every other boxing discussion.

OZZ
12/16/2011 12:30pm,
Atomicpoet can be a bit annoying sometimes, but he makes a good point.
There are plenty of good things going on in boxing that don't involve Roy Jones Jr. Or James Toney.
Someone needs to let Tranquil Suit in on this so he can post bets for REAL boxing matches.

MMAMickey
12/16/2011 12:53pm,
I could talk all day about all the active fighters that are not only more talented than Mike Tyson, but more exciting. You probably wouldn't know who they are, though. Hell, it almost seems blasphemous here to say that Mike Tyson actually wasn't as good as many of you think.


Go ahead, show me someone active today who's more talented than Mike Tyson.

Tyson hit hard, moved fantastically and fought in a way everyone wanted to watch.

Joe Frazier is somebody who wasn't as talented as we think, and he managed to floor another who couldn't possibly have been as good as everyone thinks, Ali. Yeah, I went there.

Tranquil Suit
12/16/2011 12:53pm,
Okay, give me (not just OZZ) top 5 upcoming boxing fights. By top, I mean relevant to top of the world/elite class skill. Yes, we all know the belts/titles are kinda fucked in boxing, let's not go into that.